lol fine. GG, u got me GGG

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cronus wrote:

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Omjak_777 wrote:

Scrounging up currency by selling things is soo hard. You have to basically be online 24/7 to get anything to sell. Not only that but no one buys...

if they had to implement some sort of automated trade, they would have to make sure that players have a equal trade balance (sell as much as they buy).

and did you really measure your ingame success in "dollars worth"? why?

because RMT. Alot of the top players advertise/use rmt: and trading in this game is so terrible that you need to spend so much time/effort/frustration just to make a dollar's worth of currency.

Think about that.

It's a giant hypocrisy, and not worth it.

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spoc002 wrote:

i still dont get ur point. you cant sell? or you can buy? why do you say you need to be online 24/7 for that to happen?

Reading between the lines and based partly on gear the OP linked in this thread;

He thought his legacy crit multi gear would make him instarich in game when he came back. Ironically, his problem is that the game has changed massively, so much that his gear isn't worth much and he doesn't understand why. He hasn't looked at what is available now in terms of affixes, enchantments and corruptions, or how the game plays now. He feels angry, confused, and frustrated.

@OP, I also stopped playing for a while (about 2 years) and just came back for this league. I can't believe how much almost every aspect of the game has changed. To say that it hasn't is to admit what you did; That you didn't even try.

One thing you do need to understand to avoid looking ignorant; Your rant about trading and RMT being required has been utterly debunked. We have SSF now (solo self found, no parties, no trading, no RMT, no carries). This league the top players were getting to lvl 100 within days, on SSF, 0 trading, 0 partying and 0 rmt. To say it is a requirement is just demonstrably false, and it has already been demonstrated.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

Reading between the lines and based partly on gear the OP linked in this thread;

He thought his legacy crit multi gear would make him instarich in game when he came back. Ironically, his problem is that the game has changed massively, so much that his gear isn't worth much and he doesn't understand why. He hasn't looked at what is available now in terms of affixes, enchantments and corruptions, or how the game plays now. He feels angry, confused, and frustrated.

@OP, I also stopped playing for a while (about 2 years) and just came back for this league. I can't believe how much almost every aspect of the game has changed. To say that it hasn't is to admit what you did; That you didn't even try.

One thing you do need to understand to avoid looking ignorant; Your rant about trading and RMT being required has been utterly debunked. We have SSF now (solo self found, no parties, no trading, no RMT, no carries). This league the top players were getting to lvl 100 within days, on SSF, 0 trading, 0 partying and 0 rmt. To say it is a requirement is just demonstrably false, and it has already been demonstrated.

I only posted that because a couple people were commenting on my character's gear and such lol. Those 3 pieces of gear are mostly personal and i'll probably be keeping them (and using them). They were on my previous shadow spec.

Anyway, I keep saying the same things over and over again lol.

I'm just upset with the trade system. I'm upset that it hasn't changed, and that it's all freakin mindnumbing. Why hasn't it improved? after all this time?

I'll admit that its probably not required, only after practicing the game for long enough. Again, those players at the top of ssf are likely people who have played the game since beta and have been playing nonstop: 12-20hrs a day since it came out and know the game in and out and such. They've practiced the game enough on other difficultys that they can play it purely on knowing how to fight things, and play it that way. They did no RMT for the ssf... but what about on other leagues where it's cheaper and you can do it? As some other people in this thread have said, everything is based on knowledge and practice. You can be ssf and have been playing the game on ssf purely on game knowledge, but that game knowledge comes from countless hours of having access to endgame content produced by hours and hours (so much time) of doing the same thing over and over again on other leagues. You have to dedicate your life to merching and playing on other leagues so you can have access to the content to practice it...

or RMT.

Everything is based on access. In the end, it all comes back to the same thing.

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Omjak_777 wrote:

I only posted that because a couple people were commenting on my character's gear and such lol. Those 3 pieces of gear are mostly personal and i'll probably be keeping them (and using them). They were on my previous shadow spec.

They are now basically vendor trash. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I felt the same way when I came back and discovered my legacy stuff is in many cases less valuable than current stuff, but that's life.

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Anyway, I keep saying the same things over and over again lol.

I'm just upset with the trade system. I'm upset that it hasn't changed, and that it's all freakin mindnumbing. Why hasn't it improved? after all this time?

Gearing up characters has improved immensely. Ele res affixes go higher now than they did, with the penalty remaining the same, making it far easier to cap res without requiring max rolls on everything. You can now farm for essences which work like an alch but allow you to guarantee an affix you want, and we have master crafting. The combination of those things make trading far less of a requirement than it ever has been before. On top of that, there are divination cards so you can farm for specific unique items without having to trade for them.

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Again, those players at the top of ssf are likely people who have played the game since beta and have been playing nonstop: 12-20hrs a day since it came out and know the game in and out and such. They've practiced the game enough on other difficultys that they can play it purely on knowing how to fight things, and play it that way.

So we're saying that the people who played the longest and put in the most effort are doing the best. And that's somehow a bad thing?

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They did no RMT for the ssf... but what about on other leagues where it's cheaper and you can do it? As some other people in this thread have said, everything is based on knowledge and practice. You can be ssf and have been playing the game on ssf purely on game knowledge, but that game knowledge comes from countless hours of having access to endgame content produced by hours and hours (so much time) of doing the same thing over and over again. You have to dedicate your life to merching and playing on other leagues so you can have access to the content to practice it...

I'm having a lot of fun on SSF HC. I'm not level 100 and not going to be anytime soon, but I enjoy playing and learning, so that's what I'm doing. You seem to be upset that you can't just rock up after 4 years and steamroll your way through the game, I don't really get why.

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Everything is based on access. In the end, it all comes back to the same thing.

Yeah, knowledge and experience, like you said before. So get some. You don't need to RMT for that, in fact it will probably make you worse as a player.

I could manage t13 maps with items that at most cost me 20 chaos typically last league. Are you seriously telling me you couldn't manage to get 20 chaos? If it's SSF, I respect you guys a lot and what I said has no value. However, if non-SSF, there are tons of ways to earn money. Sell leather belts if you have to or offerings. Perform lab carries, offer various services. Check items that look decent against poe.trade and sell them. Take advantage of currency trades and divination cards to get ahead.

Even with semi-decent gear, you can do up to t15. Then start replacing your gear with decent gear as needed.

Eh i'm just done honestly. I havn't found this game to be worth playing, especially if this is what GGG is offering.

If yall want to sell your souls for a couple dollars, thats on you guys.

But, i'm just recognizing the game to be what it is. The terrible trading system is one of the cores of the game's problem that hasn't been fully addressed. It's encouraging RMT... yet the game is against RMT.

Its "free to play, but pay to enjoy"

You either pay with your life, or you pay with your money.

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Omjak_777 wrote:

If yall want to sell your souls for a couple dollars, thats on you guys.

I'm confused. We're customers, we're the ones paying, not being paid. It's a game, I play it to have fun. If it isn't fun for you to play, find something else.

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But, i'm just recognizing the game to be what it is. The terrible trading system is one of the cores of the game's problem that hasn't been fully addressed. It's encouraging RMT... yet the game is against RMT.

Say it with me one more time: SSF, SSF, SSF. It's a thing, people play it and enjoy it. It has no RMT, no carries, no bullshit, just straight up you vs the game. You wanted a mode that isn't reliant on trading and where you aren't competing with RMT cheaters. That mode exists now and you're still complaining.

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This game is a giant circle-jerk at the very top of the ladder. Its "free to play, but pay to enjoy"

You either pay with your life, or you pay with your money.

You sound like you're upset because you can't enjoy the game unless you're part of that "top of the ladder circle-jerk" as you so eloquently phrased it. I'm not at the very top of anything, and given that I have a job and can only play a few hours per day, I don't expect to be at the top of anything. I play enough to learn the game, make progress, and have fun. My enjoyment of the game isn't stunted by the fact that there are people who put in more time and get better results.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

You sound like you're upset because you can't enjoy the game unless you're part of that "top of the ladder circle-jerk" as you so eloquently phrased it. I'm not at the very top of anything, and given that I have a job and can only play a few hours per day, I don't expect to be at the top of anything. I play enough to learn the game, make progress, and have fun. My enjoyment of the game isn't stunted by the fact that there are people who put in more time and get better results.

Look man, I'm just upset with the trade system. I've had an overall, terrible experience with it. And I don't want to play SSF (because RNG).

I'm upset that I can't trade things fairly without having to constantly worry about pricing (getting ripped off) and being online 24/7.

I'm going to far now. You know i'm sorry if I offended you.

But I just personally feel like this game is not worth playing for me, because the trade system ruined it for me: and because I don't want to play ssf completely. I also don't want to feel like I need to rmt to play again, only to experience the same things again.

Its enough for me to not play this game at all.

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Omjak_777 wrote:

You know i'm sorry if I offended you

I don't work for GGG so have no reason to be offended by your criticisms of the game. I have my own criticisms of it too. I just get pissed off by people saying things like "I just want to be able to trade without worrying about pricing", like wtf? Ofc you have to worry about pricing, that's how trading works, you need to be competitive otherwise other people will get/make better deals. Or the people who say trading/rmt are required while they just completely ignore the people who did lvl 100 ssf in a matter of days.

There are lots of legit things to complain about, I just don't think they are on your list so I'm finding it hard to understand what the problem is.

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Omjak_777 wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

You sound like you're upset because you can't enjoy the game unless you're part of that "top of the ladder circle-jerk" as you so eloquently phrased it. I'm not at the very top of anything, and given that I have a job and can only play a few hours per day, I don't expect to be at the top of anything. I play enough to learn the game, make progress, and have fun. My enjoyment of the game isn't stunted by the fact that there are people who put in more time and get better results.

Look man, I'm just upset with the trade system. I've had an overall, terrible experience with it. And I don't want to play SSF (because RNG).

I'm upset that I can't trade things fairly without having to constantly worry about pricing (getting ripped off) and being online 24/7.

I'm going to far now. You know i'm sorry if I offended you.

But I just personally feel like this game is not worth playing for me, because the trade system ruined it for me: and because I don't want to play ssf completely. I also don't want to feel like I need to rmt to play again, only to experience the same things again.

Its enough for me to not play this game at all.

ive checked your profile

lvl89 - in open beta days that was an acheivement. nowadays you get there in 4-5 days

your gear - on the character - is baseline at best. sure, you have 2 6links but you know what? most builds nowadays can kill endgame on 5link. the powercreep is REAL

rest of the items is 1c. and.. it most likely was 1c even in open beta (except astramentis as it is HoWA and other ES bs territory)


this is the first.

second - you try to trade this level of gear in STANDARD. standard is pretty much dead, you know that? it used to do just fine in previous league but this league Standard is a desolate wasteland. Legacy is what standard players always wanted - and they have moved on (not to mention the Zana mods debacle..). you wont sell a damn thing in standard. your 6Links are 3-4Ex for the bow and 1 Divine for the chest, Astramentis has its price (but in standard it is cheap) rest - vendor

while you might have a point about RMT (it seems it is far more widespread than some want to admit) it has nothing to do with your situation.

play Legacy for a weak. youll get more and better loot than you have accumulated over the years