Life is technically better than ES

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tinko92 wrote:

What you're doing is laughable. Your counter-argument for mine is that my argument is based on my opinion which I've formed by misinterpreting his claim. Yet somehow your interpretation of his claim isn't an opinion.

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Cataca wrote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5e04yk/es_is_technically_worse_than_life/

I'd agree, the main difference is that i didnt pull it out of my ass.

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Cataca wrote:

He said: "Life is technically better than ES." and from the context, you can pretty obviously see that he meant "A thousand life is technically better than a thousand ES". And he would be right.

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_Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

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Cataca wrote:

He said: "Life is technically better than ES." and from the context, you can pretty obviously see that he meant "A thousand life is technically better than a thousand ES". And he would be right.

As hilarious as this banter is, it really is nothing more than you interpreting something, and then immediately arguing with someone else because they interpreted it "incorrectly" in your eyes.

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trav_dawg wrote:

Has anyone ever solved this infamous GGG riddle? I feel there must be a secret build we haven't yet discovered. I must know!

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Sexcalibure wrote:

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Mythabril wrote:

Threads like this are why devs don't post.

nobody forced them to say blatantly stupid stuff like this

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MeWhenum wrote:

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tinko92 wrote:

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MeWhenum wrote:

But...it's not really silly at all. People take it out of context and blow it out of proportion then claim that the devs are morons because they made a somewhat ambiguous yet accurate statement.

Yes it is. It's a pointless claim as a lame try to ease all the negative feedback about the absence of balance in life-ES situation.

That statement isn't accurate since life and ES don't go 1 for 1 in the game.


GGG is known since Beta for not acknowledging major issues in the game and they love to go around putting out the fires with silly claims and reasons.

Did you read the rest of the post I made? Because you did the same thing to me that everyone does to the devs - you home in on one or two sentences, take them out if context, and ignore the explanation of the quote you claim is wrong.

Obviously life and ES don't go one for one. That would be a balance fail if they did. That's not what Rory said either. What they said is "X life is better than X ES". They did not say "the amount of life and amount of ES that builds can easily stack are balanced, and life and ES based builds are equal" (or at least that's not how I interpreted it). I'm not saying they're balanced either. Nobody said that (actually Chris sort of did, and THAT is the post everyone should be complaining about).

Predictably, though, everyone homes in on one sentence in exclusion of context so that they can rage unreasonably at the devs. People need to learn what a strawman is.

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Arrowneous wrote:

GGG takes tons more flack (negative posts) here than Reddit so it's only natural that Chris and company are posting in Reddit and not in their own forums. I think is goes back to a very, very old skateboarding arcade game where you must "skate or die". Translated to PoE it means GGG must forge ahead with new content constantly or die (as a game company). That means they can't stop to fix problems and can only keep players riding the PoE merry-go-round (playing and buying mtx) with a continuous stream of new content. If GGG slows down then the reality and enormity of the balance mess would be overwhelming and destroy them. To come here (their own forums) and talk to us would unleash a tidal wave of "this game is balance broke" that would have them fleeing back into their coding caves but quick.

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tinko92 wrote:

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Cataca wrote:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5e04yk/es_is_technically_worse_than_life/

I'd agree, the main difference is that i didnt pull it out of my ass.

That would make some sense if I pulled something out of my ass. And somehow a video of him saying that is your counter-argument to what I just wrote earlier.

Wannabe debaters lmao, easy there on the youtube and wiki/list_of_fallacies buddy.

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Rory_Rackham wrote:

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I think by "technically" he is referring to not being able to heal with flasks, are more vulnerable to stuns, shocks, freezes and so on.

Sadly none of this matters when you can easily achieve 50% or higher buffer that is more or less required to not get 1-shot most of the time, and you can get them back to full really fast if not instantly because of vaal pact, vinktar, occultist (+ soul strike) and status ailments or stuns aren't really a problem either anymore due to having so many different sources to counter them.

Sooo..

Yeah, spot on. There is a bit more to it like the fact that ES has a much more exponential scale in growth, so there is a 'right point' to switch to CI at which the positives (And value of EHP) start to outstrip the negatives, and then grows far faster than Life. If we're too brash with the changes, we've just pushed that point further ahead, so it becomes suitable only for when you have exceptional gear and a heavily-invested tree. In an ideal world, we push that point a bit earlier, but keep a distinct build and playstyle between CI and Non-CI where they're both relevant and interesting choices, without vastly different EHP values. We don't want to compromise the vision of that world by making blanket nerfs to all ES values - We've just gotta trim down top end sources of ES so they don't shoot their EHP so much higher than other kinds of marginal-investment defense builds have for EHP.