Where do I complain about Scammers like [Removed by Support]

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Vaydra wrote:

Unfortunately there are good reasons why you can't name and shame people who scam. It would turn into an unending mess of mostly false or fabricated accusations ...

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This is why I never do Challenge Trades with any Player below Lv 90. At Lv 90+, Any Player possible has enough currency and 100c isn't much for him to risk a ban.

I remember the first time i was scammed, 5 Exalts for a Rare 5 Link Weapon.. If you thought 100c was bad, Imagine that. And back then I was new and 5 Exalts was all i had. Later I got to know the Item was worth less than 15 chaos.. I ragequit for a month :x

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Shagsbeard wrote:

This isn't real life. It's a game. You want justice for something that happened in a game. Disproportionate. You feel harmed, but you're really not. Read up on "displacement".

What justice have I asked for that you feel is "disproportionate?"

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DamageIncorporated wrote:

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Walrusky wrote:

It's a cycle of people getting scammed then becoming the scammer because they find out there is little if not no punishment for scamming.

Only dysfunctional socially inept losers with no conscience would follow this logic.

Well, no. You should read what I wrote about this very problem in game theory: It's also how organisms function and are modeled in behavioral and evolutionary studies.

I'm not saying I have any inclination to become a scammer, but it does seem like many here feel it is the rational response. And, behavioral studies would back up their logic in that conclusion.

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Phrazz wrote:

Of course you can't name and shame people on the forums. You can say whatever you want here, with no need of proof. That's as unfair as it gets.

As I said before on this thread (but I guess I should reiterate because many people are like you) I DO have evidence.

I posted said evidence on reddit. I could not post it here because it has the person in question's name in it (since otherwise is not evidence), so is against this forum's rules.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Frankly I've encountered bytes with more empathy than some PoE players.

Well, my understanding of behavioral studies + the way this game is currently setup, empathy should be bred out of the community given enough iterations.

With different starting assumptions and rules, the reverse would happen.

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鬼殺し wrote:

As for shit like "buying" non concrete items like boss kills or strongboxes, I'm sorry but that's just greedy. OP was greedy and got burned.

What % of people playing this game get to 40 challenges without "getting greedy" as you say? 1%? 0.1% How could I do otherwise when I have a RL job?

Why do you feel buying challenges is fundamentally different -in principle if not in practice- from buying items? Or do you feel the safeguards in buying items should be removed as well? Or, do you feel the current system is "prefect" and any discussion of how it could improved is fundamentally flawed?

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鬼殺し wrote:

Even in real life we'd consider an action like that to be gullible and without legal recourse.

If you put your money in a vending machine and it didn't give you anything, that would be you acting "gullible?" If you walked into a store and asked for something behind the counter and they say "$5 please" then proceeded to take your money and then stare at you blankly when you asked for the product, that would be you acting "gullible?" And, you feel you would have no legal recourse? 0.o

If you're making that claim, I'm not sure you understand how RL society works.

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Johnny1981 wrote:

If you get scammed you only have yourself to blame.

Well, if I see you and punch you in the face, you can know it's because you didn't block it right.


I mean, honestly, who doesn't know how to block a punch to the face? Some people!

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鬼殺し wrote:

Wow, did you just compare PoE players to vending machines and paid store employees?

Did I misread you, Okonro Ishi? I thought you, for that instance, brought real life into it:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Even in real life we'd consider an action like that to be gullible and without legal recourse.

If you feel my analogy of vending machines and paid store employees was false, could you explain what real life analogy you feel would be appropriate? One where I would have no legal recourse, as you said. (keeping in mind I have pictures of the written agreement)

I'm just looking for clarification, since I guess I got it wrong.

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Taylor5CC wrote:

As I said before on this thread (but I guess I should reiterate because many people are like you) I DO have evidence.

I posted said evidence on reddit. I could not post it here because it has the person in question's name in it (since otherwise is not evidence), so is against this forum's rules.

Think about it for a second. Whatever proof you DO have, do you have any proof that this person hasn't traded those 100c back to you? That he hasn't offered you a Perandus Archive since the incident? Understand me correctly here, I'm not saying you're full of shit, I'm just saying that if these forum guidelines didn't exist, you could destroy a person's "trading reputation" in an instant just with a simple lie or two.

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鬼殺し wrote:

"Hello, Wraeclast Police, how may we help?"

Ah, I see the problem. You're working under the assumption 'Wraeclast' (or a similar primitive culture) is 'real life' and I am not.
Axiomatic differences are always the hardest to overcome, Okonro Ishi. So, I'm not sure I see a solution to ours. Fair enough.

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鬼殺し wrote:

PS congrats on 35! Good luck on 36!

Thank you, I'm shooting for 37.

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鬼殺し wrote:

Looks to me like you're doing just fine despite one moment of serious common sense breakdown. Go you!

Well, as I keep saying, I'm not as concerned with myself as I am with the way the system itself is setup. Metagaming is something of a hobby of mine, and I'm worried (justly or unjustly) that this system is setup to favor an unfair "zero determinant strategy (ZD)," which almost inevitably leads to extinction or 4chan.

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鬼殺し wrote:

In case you missed it, this is goodbye and good luck. :)

Well, that's too bad, Demon Slayer. I was hoping I would get some answers to these questions: "Why do you feel buying challenges is fundamentally different -in principle if not in practice- from buying items? Or do you feel the safeguards in buying items should be removed as well? Or, do you feel the current system is "prefect" and any discussion of how it could be improved is fundamentally flawed?"

But, I guess we do live in a civilized society, so if you don’t want to answer, you shouldn’t. So, fair enough, goodbye.

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Phrazz wrote:

Think about it for a second. Whatever proof you DO have, do you have any proof that this person hasn't traded those 100c back to you?

Well, the person in question posted on this thread and didn't deny any of it. But, I do understand where you're going with all this. If you look at the reddit thread, I do have evidence, but do I have an annotated video with an official timestamp? No.

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Phrazz wrote:

That he hasn't offered you a Perandus Archive since the incident?

Well, this one's at least easy. Look at my challenges.
Despite using 10-20 Perandus Leaguestone in maps since starting this thread I still haven't got a Perandus Archive to spawn. I guess I'm learning why they're so expensive.

You don't even need evidence. It's clear to everyone here what happened. A fairly ignorant and trusting person got taken while trying to cheat his way through the game. No need for a video to prove that. It's obvious.

You can complain all you want. You can educate the masses. You just can't name/shame on the GGG forum.

But you're really overdoing this. Been weeks now. Get over it.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

A fairly ignorant and trusting person got taken while trying to cheat his way through the game.

So, you then feel GGG should crack down on trade channel 820, because trading challenges is 'cheating?' I'm new, so I'm legitimately asking.
I normally like to play games "to completion." Which to me, in this context, meant getting challenges. However, since the league is only up for a limited time, and I have a RL job, it seemed to me the only reasonable way of doing this was by trading on channel 820.

Is this incorrect? Is that not the way the game is "meant" to be played? Is getting ~36 challenges only meant for people without real world commitments? Or is there some other legitimate shortcut I am overlooking? Again, I am legitimately asking you, Shagsbeard.

In that vain, you didn't answer any of the other questions about the culture of the game I asked you, Shagsbeard. Part of my motivation of posting here is to better understand how I am to play this game (and if I like playing it).

If you're going to spend time berating me, is it possible you could spend time enlightening me as well? Or does that also go against the culture?

You're not "new". No "new" player plays up to 35 challenges. Not buying it.

As to not responding to your earlier posts... you're just not worth it.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You're not "new". No "new" player plays up to 35 challenges. Not buying it.

So, you feel I must be dumb and naive for getting scammed, but also must be wise and experienced? 0.o

...Ah, I get it now. Thank you. Now I know how best to classify you in the context of intellectual honesty.