The Son of God:

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TheVibeOfDeath wrote:

It's kind of sad so many people have all these biased thoughts on who God is, or that He doesn't exist, but haven't taken the time to try to get to know God. He is a tangible person that can speak to anyone He desires to.

Yes, I said "God is tangible", because once you choose to love God and Truth more than anything else in this temporary world God will begin to reveal Himself to you in many ways.

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TheVibeOfDeath wrote:

Anyone who thinks God/Jesus/The Holy Ghost isn't real it's because of all the deception in the world that demons have been spreading since Adam and Eve.

Here, I disagree. While demons certainly exist, I think man can sometimes grant them undue credit. Some men refuse to believe because of their sinful and rebellious natures -- because they are not of God, but are of the World. Demons need not be involved. I think, perhaps, demons merely are looking for places to bide their time until their destruction is complete. Some remain in chains, others roam, looking for houses to invade.

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TheVibeOfDeath wrote:

Atheists always demand proof for things but they never seem to understand that if they'd just go to the source of all Truth (God) they'd have all the proof they could ever want.

Unfortunately we all live in a world deeply covered in deception and hatred. I can't tell you how many people have chosen to hate me solely for saying something they disagreed with.

Does no one know how to love anymore?

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." - the Word of the Lamb.

And remember:

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’"

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

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TheVibeOfDeath wrote:

It's kind of sad so many people have all these biased thoughts on who God is, or that He doesn't exist, but haven't taken the time to try to get to know God. He is a tangible person that can speak to anyone He desires to.

Yes, I said "God is tangible", because once you choose to love God and Truth more than anything else in this temporary world God will begin to reveal Himself to you in many ways.

Anyone who thinks God/Jesus/The Holy Ghost isn't real it's because of all the deception in the world that demons have been spreading since Adam and Eve.

Atheists always demand proof for things but they never seem to understand that if they'd just go to the source of all Truth (God) they'd have all the proof they could ever want.

Unfortunately we all live in a world deeply covered in deception and hatred. I can't tell you how many people have chosen to hate me solely for saying something they disagreed with.

Does no one know how to love anymore?

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

If all you have to do in order to get proof is go to God, and you're currently there, would you mind just sharing that proof then? I mean it's really easy right? If any one person managed to do this in the history of judaism/christianity, atheism and all other religions wouldn't even exist save for a handful of stubborn people.

Demons don't exist. There are no demons running around deceiving people into believing that God doesn't exist. There are people who look at the bible, see how much of it simply does not make sense, look at the demonstrated facts that we know very important parts were written in after the original texts, that many stories are simply made up and never happened (there was no large scale exodus out of egypt, there was no flood), that some very important mistranslations account for some extremely important doctrine (Mary was not a virgin, she was a maiden. Jesus' conception was not immaculate). We look at these and many other issues, then ask ourselves "What evidence do I even have that any part of the bible is correct, or that God exists", accept that there is not any to be had, and make the decision to not buy into it.

When was the last time God actually spoke to you by the way? I'm intrigued. Was it a male or female voice? What did ze say?

I never said God gives you sharable proof, not to mention if He just gave anyone and everyone proof faith would be obsolete. Although to be clear, He does empower His people to do supernatural things, like opening blind eyes, raising the dead and healing people. If you haven't seen any of that yet it's because you aren't looking for it based on an assumption that God doesn't exist anyways.

Also, demons DO exist. I have been visited in my sleep by one before and have seen them at other times too.

As for your translation of scripture, you are misinterpreting it because you haven't gone to God yet to properly understand it.

I would like to note I'm not religious, or even a Christian. I personally hate religion and so does God. I rarely read my bible anymore because the Holy Ghost teaches me everything I need to know. Furthermore God is the only reason I'm still alive today. I was going to end it all one day when I was 19 years old (I'm 28 now), and that was the day God began speaking to me.

@MonstaMunch, thank you for showing interest in this thread. It's no skin off our teeth if you disagree and I for one find it nice to see such a civil conversation.

I would like to take a moment of the concepts of right and wrong. Some believe there is no right or wrong and morality is as disposable as sentience. However if there is an intelligent creator who created right and wrong and has perfect understanding of justice, then said creator is just.

The old testament is really violent. It is often depicted as societies without God, societies with crime as violence prevalent. God will still send help to these people, if they listen is up to them. When the plagues stuck Egypt Mosses told everyone how to protect there households. Those who followed God did the work to obey our Lord and were protected. Those who ignored it had there first board perish. Similarly when Moses leads them across the sea God kills the entire Egyptian army, after they decided to walk into the parted sea with the intent to kill those God had parted the sea for.

You talk about the violence as if it is used a quick fix when in fact it's a last resort or is caused by the hand of man.

You also speak about Jesus being violent. I've been unable to find exactly what you are referring to. I think you are referring to when he drives the people out of the temple in Jerusalem. The place was disgusting filled with animals, the money handlers had terrible rates that extorted people for what they had. When he calls it a den of thieves he is not using it as an insult. He is saying that this house of God, this safe place for praise and worship, is a literal den of thieves. He the proceeds to heal two people of terrible ailments in the very next sentence.

If you are looking for actions to shape your view of Jesus. I would recommend looking that fact everyone who asks for his help gets it. Jesus does not go around chilling with Jews and asking for money, he goes around healing the sick and anyone asks of help he heals. Ranging from a faithful mothers dead daughter, healing the ear of the Roman soldier his disciple cut off when the Pharisees came to execute him.

I'm mistranslating nothing. This is stuff that they literally teach you in seminary. It's all well known both in secular and religious circles. I was a Christian for 25 years, was the youth minister for 7th Day Adventist church and was about to persue seminary before I learned things that basically confirmed the questions I had already had for ages.

Isn't it rather convenient though that God, all powerful though he is, can prove his existence to one person, but not in any way that can be proven or demonstrated to anyone else?

More interesting question: If God can heal the sick, make the blind see, cure cancer, or do any other number of things which can never actually be proven to have been a miracle... why has there never been one single instance in all of medical history of an amputee regrowing a limb? Think about it. It's certainly not because a religious amputee never prayed for their arm back. Apparently they can pray for God to cure their cancer or save them from a heart attack, but what? He just can't do it?

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

I'm mistranslating nothing. This is stuff that they literally teach you in seminary. It's all well known both in secular and religious circles. I was a Christian for 25 years, was the youth minister for 7th Day Adventist church and was about to persue seminary before I learned things that basically confirmed the questions I had already had for ages.

BodyHammer, let's not get it twisted: you may have been nominally Christian for 25 years, but you weren't a Christian.

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." (1 John 2:18-19)

P.S. - I have heard 7th Day Adventists mentioned in the same breath as Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses, who are not Christian. I would be just as wary of them as a viper's nest.

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bwam wrote:

P.S. - I have heard 7th Day Adventists mentioned in the same breath as Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses, who are not Christian. I would be just as wary of them as a viper's nest.

I get that you disavow such people, and that's your perogitive, but they're still Christians. One who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ is, by definition, a Christian. You can decide on your own what is right and wrong, but you don't get to redefine words.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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bwam wrote:

P.S. - I have heard 7th Day Adventists mentioned in the same breath as Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses, who are not Christian. I would be just as wary of them as a viper's nest.

I get that you disavow such people, and that's your perogitive, but they're still Christians. One who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ is, by definition, a Christian. You can decide on your own what is right and wrong, but you don't get to redefine words.

ScrotieMcB, you're not a Christian brother; you don't understand -- nor would I expect you to. While it's certainly your prerogative to label goats as sheep, you'd be mistaken.

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bwam wrote:

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

I'm mistranslating nothing. This is stuff that they literally teach you in seminary. It's all well known both in secular and religious circles. I was a Christian for 25 years, was the youth minister for 7th Day Adventist church and was about to persue seminary before I learned things that basically confirmed the questions I had already had for ages.

BodyHammer, let's not get it twisted: you may have been nominally Christian for 25 years, but you weren't a Christian.

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us." (1 John 2:18-19)

P.S. - I have heard 7th Day Adventists mentioned in the same breath as Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses, who are not Christian. I would be just as wary of them as a viper's nest.

Hahaha. Okay, does it help if I only closed out my christian career as a 7th Day Adventist? I've been baptist, a brief catholic, and an episcopalian. Regardless of any of this, I guarantee that I am far more familiar with the bible, christianity, and the historicity of the bible than you will ever be. If you would like to actually discuss things of substance, or disprove anything I mentioned above, feel free. Your weak no true scotsman fallacy only shows the hypocrisy of the average christian and the level of understanding, given you dodged everything actually dealing with religion that I said.

You believe in demons, yet *I* was in the crazy christian sect? Lmao

But given your experience being a far better christian than I ever was, how do you answer the amputation question? Is God simply not able to heal amputees?

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

Hahaha. Okay, does it help if I only closed out my christian career as a 7th Day Adventist? I've been baptist, a brief catholic, and an episcopalian. Regardless of any of this, I guarantee that I am far more familiar with the bible, christianity, and the historicity of the bible than you will ever be.

Careful, you might choke on your pride.

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

If you would like to actually discuss things of substance, or disprove anything I mentioned above, feel free.

Like what? Like debating whether or not angels and demons exist? Haha, no thanks.

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

Your weak no true scotsman fallacy only shows the hypocrisy of the average christian and the level of understanding, given you dodged everything actually dealing with religion that I said.

I'd expect you to reject John, since you rejected the one whom John and I both love, serve, and revere. By accusing him of some logical "fallacy," you're merely exposing yourself to Christians for what you are: one who was never of Christ, although you claimed to be.

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BodyHammer01 wrote:

You believe in demons, yet *I* was in the crazy christian sect? Lmao

I'd tell you how Jesus drove out demons, as did his Apostles -- but, oh, I forgot, you just cherry-pick whatever suits you from the Scripture and ignore the rest. You're a real "expert" on the Bible, right. Totally convincing.