We need a USABLE alchemy recipe

There is no GOOD ENOUGH recipe for alchemy orb yet.

Let's see what we got:

normal, magic, rare (all 20% quality) - 1 alc. Tiresome, expensive, may not worth it.
normal, magic, rare (all 20% quality and unidentified) - 1 alc. Tiresome, expensive, may not worth it.
2 x identified rare items with same name and both 20% quality - 1 alc. Low chance, may not worth it.
3 x identified rare items with same name - 2 alcs. Bullshit. The chance is astronomical.

There are so many GOOD recipes for the chance orb.

normal, magic, rare, unique - 5 chances. VERY GOOD (even you may buy uniques for 1 alt only, except SSF)
full set of unidentified and 20% quality rares (IL<60) - 3 chances. VERY GOOD (like the chaos recipe)
full set of unidentified or 20% quality rares (IL<60) - 2 chances. VERY GOOD (like the chaos recipe)
full set of identified rares (IL<60) - 1 chance. VERY GOOD (like the chaos recipe)

One of them could be changed to results an alchemy orb.

I am thinking about the recipe which requires full set of unidentified rares (IL<60).

I suggest this recipe (which now gives 2 chances) should result 1 alchemy instead.
This change regarding the value seems correct.

Alchemy orbs are already cheap and plentiful enough. Just vendor rares and bad uniques and you get plenty.

I like the 2 same named items giving a chance orb. I go through those faster than alc orbs. When i get the kalandra prophecy instead of trading 3 of the mirrored copies for an alc orb, i trade 2 at a time and end up with 2 chance orbs instead.

I think I left out a very important circumstance.

When you really need alchemy (at low levels) there is not many you found.
You are lacking currency in general.
So the recipes does not really help you at all.

Of course when you reach level 60 areas, this is not a problem anymore.
You can farm chaos and could buy anything you need.

So I refine my statement:

There is no GOOD ENOUGH alchemy recipe for below level 60.

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jhnsmth wrote:

I think I left out a very important circumstance.

When you really need alchemy (at low levels) there is not many you found.
You are lacking currency in general.
So the recipes does not really help you at all.

Of course when you reach level 60 areas, this is not a problem anymore.
You can farm chaos and could buy anything you need.

So I refine my statement:

There is no GOOD ENOUGH alchemy recipe for below level 60.

There is still a "good enough" supply of alchemy orbs for below level 60. Three major factors go into this assessment.

First of all, you don't need them. Any that you get are extra or nice to have instead of required. Blue gear is good enough to get you to 60 easily.

Second, you vendor items to get alchemy shards. Pick up more weapons to vendor if you don't have enough.

Third, you can use essences in place of alchemy orbs. They are common enough and better anyway. Just use the low ones that would otherwise be worthless after you level.

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mark1030 wrote:

I like the 2 same named items giving a chance orb. I go through those faster than alc orbs. When i get the kalandra prophecy instead of trading 3 of the mirrored copies for an alc orb, i trade 2 at a time and end up with 2 chance orbs instead.

Sorry my bad. I may not have been clear enough.
My suggestion does not want to change that rule (the 2 same named rares).

I ONLY wanted to change the reward of full set of unidentified rares (IL<60) from 2 chances to 1 alchemy.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

First of all, you don't need them. Any that you get are extra or nice to have instead of required. Blue gear is good enough to get you to 60 easily.

Of course alchemy is not "needed" at all for experienced players.
For the beginners (and maybe for SSF) it would be good to have a good recipe for alchemy.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

Second, you vendor items to get alchemy shards. Pick up more weapons to vendor if you don't have enough.

You forget about the lack of id scrolls. Lack of currency in general on lower levels.
Not very easy to get alchemy shards.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

Third, you can use essences in place of alchemy orbs. They are common enough and better anyway. Just use the low ones that would otherwise be worthless after you level.

Yeah I forgot about essences. But I think essences are not common enough either.

Honestly Essences fill that gap pretty decently. They are common and they work like an Alc orb with one fixed mod. I use them all the time instead of Alc orbs, because exspecially T1-T2 Essences early on are hardly worth upgrading anyway.

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jhnsmth wrote:

When you really need alchemy (at low levels) there is not many you found.
You are lacking currency in general.

You don't need alchs at low level .... at all.
Alchs are good for mapping, at high level, the opposite of what you are saying actually.

blue items and essences are more than enough at lower level, since capping resistances isn't difficult and rare items already drop like flies.
scrolls are not lacking either.

And it is the same for SSF.

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Fruz wrote:

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jhnsmth wrote:

When you really need alchemy (at low levels) there is not many you found.
You are lacking currency in general.

You don't need alchs at low level .... at all.
Alchs are good for mapping, at high level, the opposite of what you are saying actually.

blue items and essences are more than enough at lower level, since capping resistances isn't difficult and rare items already drop like flies.
scrolls are not lacking either.

And it is the same for SSF.

Your comment is from the experienced player's point of view.
The beginners may "need" alchemy for any reasons (however it unreasonable is).

A convenient recipe for alchemy would be good and chance orb would not lose much.