Stat scaling items VS POTCG

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Geisalt wrote:

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Pillar is fine. Huge tankability with more dps than hegemony's era...

2 811 000 dps + 1 700 000 aoe
= 4 500 000 dps + slayer + the retch leech damage *2 + legacy vinktar + flask efficiency
= 8 000 000 dps.

7 500 HP + MoM with EB 5000 ES

SO WHAT? Pillar is under rated... and over powered.

tree for the ones who want

https://tof.cx/images/2017/03/26/410fb791a0e67b76c9c86f4188fb04c8.png


I would like to see those rings and amulet.

When you cap res with 3 items, I wouldn't think this is a really cost efficient build, which HoWa and Sprinkler are, as the op mentions.
Last edited by Apos912 on Mar 26, 2017, 6:22:42 AM
i used mirrored equivalent items; of course, it's the only way to compare the maximum potential of items and builds




However, it's perfectly doable to get similar items unperfect , STR+ all attribute are wanted. and there is no crit/crit mult on amulet ;)



And no, the build is not resistance caped without potion, it can be, easily, with some sacrifices, like ... 400K dps? not more. It was just a TEST.

Bin code for POB program, if you want to have a look. Click twice on the whole thing and copy paste it to export it to POB.

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the rest of the gear is cheap anyway, if you do a non legacy vinktar/non build...

can reach 6M with non legacy vinktar so... it's not half bad

NOTE: Thoses numbers are achieved with SHOCK done by vinktar, frenzy and pwoer charges, onslaught, killed recently and flasks
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Last edited by Geisalt on Mar 26, 2017, 4:24:46 PM
those things dont consider multiple factors

- the availability of such items, in general and in a league course
- that build you propose, it might be shit to play
- Is it versatile? You can achieve big numbers with that build but its the only one that make the item good, there the item isnt good its the build that is
- How painful is the progression
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- the availability of such items, in general and in a league course


Uniques (potions included if we use unlegacy vinktar) are easy to get, they are cheap. The only problematic one is The retch, i guess without legacy vinktar it's not so important, the synergy grants 8M dps but 4 500 000 dps is enough too and then we can use meginord's girdle instead, for a 16% more damage constant. And more life too.

Also, without the retch + vinktar the build can be played with a different ascendancy. Templar can be good for the ES regen of thoses consecrated ground and "no pene" required -if we get more crit chance-

The problem is the jewels, they are important and difficult to get, most ppls would throw away STR+attribute but it's what we need, and jews with life+crit mult arent easy to get too.

Rings/amulet can be tweaked a bit, but flat damage, life and str are ultra important.
In league, it will work but will be a slow cleaner.
It wont be easy without all the uniques.
The build scales properly at high level, but at 70-90 there might be some inefficiencies, i havent tried.

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- that build you propose, it might be shit to play


It is shit to play, similar to most pure melee builds, but can use lightning strike or wild strike instead too... but still shit to play. Thoo potcg offers a lot of AOE! And you wreck bosses.

You wont clear fast. It's not an EK nova build. It's not a limitation of POTCG but of most melee skills.

Static strike has the highest melee dps so... it explains that

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- Is it versatile? You can achieve big numbers with that build but its the only one that make the item good, there the item isnt good its the build that is


It's a fallacy, if the item is not good... the build cannot work. This build cannot exist with potcg, because of stacked str. it doesnt have enough % increased to use a different weapon, the result is shitty.


With hegemony and a different "but similar" build, you lose 5K ES to gain 700 life and theeen you get 3 500 000 extra dps. A lot. But still lose 5K es. Thx shaper+geofri combo with stacked str.

However thoses 8M dps with hegemony's era requires a lot of sacrifices. Potcg is ultra balanced, with a Ton of aoe for FREE. Ok, with vinktar+the retch hegemony variant, it reachs 14 000 000. but shhhh Shhhh! SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! without double dips.... SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

So yeah 8K life 14M max dps hege is doable, but 7500 life 5K es 8M potcg is doable too and efficient too.

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- How painful is the progression


One of the easiest builds to level and use, and to gear too.
Potcg + meginord belt and gloves = ultra easy low level , add astramentis you are godlike
then when you get abyssus, everything die before you.
Of course it's a bad first char: it's useless without the uniques required
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Last edited by Geisalt on Mar 26, 2017, 4:30:14 PM
why when i prove that Potcg is not garbage ... the thread dies? q_q
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Geisalt wrote:
why when i prove that Potcg is not garbage ... the thread dies? q_q

It's not dead for me

No offence, I'm really glad you showed the numbers, but for me a mathsheet doesn't prove anything for me

I need to see it in action to confirm its not garbage
ZiggyD is the Labyrinth of streamers, some like it, some dont, but GGG will make sure to push it down ur throat to make you like it
What about YOU prove it by playing it? DO it, play it, then tell us.
otherwise, you cant agree or disagree my numbers, dont stay passive... You are the one who made the first statement about "potcg got forgotten", it's true... but it's cuz it's good already!

Honestly, it's damage with abyssus is comparable to atziri disfavour without abyssus, it may seem bad but with the defensive stack of STR is amazing by itself.

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and you look at POTCG that with heavy investment scarcely deal damage you realize something is off


This is untrueeeeee bleblebleh

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Note: Im not saying that POTCG should be as OP as HOWA and Sprinkler, no those should be nerfed, but atleast make it be worth the investment


according to all my tests on PoB, sprinkler needs far more investments to the offensive side, so much that we sacrifice defenses. With potcg, both scale at once.

Lightning claw for dumbstas who want to move without thinking is a special OP case... Shall be nerfed a day - 10M blade flurry with 14K ES doable easy -
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Last edited by Geisalt on Mar 26, 2017, 10:38:08 PM
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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Sexcalibure wrote:
Literally raping


In a perfect world, GGG would give an account bound permanent -10% quantity of items found every time someone misuses the word "literally".


lol one of my pet peeves as well
I dont see any any key!
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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Sexcalibure wrote:
Literally raping


In a perfect world, GGG would give an account bound permanent -10% quantity of items found every time someone misuses the word "literally".


Oh please, this is how languages and words evolve
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Enzari wrote:
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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Sexcalibure wrote:
Literally raping


In a perfect world, GGG would give an account bound permanent -10% quantity of items found every time someone misuses the word "literally".


Oh please, this is how languages and words evolve


yeah but there is a line....
I dont see any any key!

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