The Death of double dipping in the Fall of Oriath

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raics wrote:

I suppose we could try a rough estimate of the before-after performance of some valid non-broken DoT char, dunno, something like dual razors emberwake firestorm.

Let's say it's
162-243 fire base
400% increased fire/elemental/projectile damage (double dipping increases)
200% increased burning damage
2x double dipping multiplier (we'll condense echo, conc and EO into one for simplicity)
1.44x non-double dipping multiplier (controlled destruction)
let's say the enemy wasn't resistant and its fire res is lowered by 44% by flammability
also, we applied 10 ignite stacks on it

That's 1259 average damage per hit, so ignite base is 252.
Which means 2467 damage per second from 10 ignites.

After the double dipping removal, assuming that ignites now do 100% hit damage per second it will be 4717 damage per second. Sure, the real numbers will be higher but that's the idea, for builds that weren't broken it just might be a buff, not a nerf.

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Boem wrote:

Dot modifiers and multipliers will probably be tripled in potency.

Which will simply result in people having to make a choice again, either invest in initial hit or the delivery part.

And as far as "meta" is concerned, it's going to be initial hit scaling again.

Peace,

-Boem-

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dEus__ wrote:

Well that's right IF they boost DoT base dmg. But with GGG you really never know.

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Boem wrote:

Dot modifiers and multipliers will probably be tripled in potency.

Which will simply result in people having to make a choice again, either invest in initial hit or the delivery part.

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raics wrote:

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dEus__ wrote:

Well that's right IF they boost DoT base dmg. But with GGG you really never know.

Yeah, you don't, but if they don't do it they killed dependency DoTs almost as well as CoMK :)

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Boem wrote:

Dot modifiers and multipliers will probably be tripled in potency.

Which will simply result in people having to make a choice again, either invest in initial hit or the delivery part.

I don't see it that way, crit is good because it's another method of scaling your damage when straight dps increases get ineffective. It would be very similar with DoT passives, when you stack enough straight dps you'd get better returns by switching to DoT investment.

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Saltygames wrote:

Poison arrow.

I have some skill with this game, and their changes will tell me something about their capabilities tbh.

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raics wrote:

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Saltygames wrote:

Poison arrow.

I have some skill with this game, and their changes will tell me something about their capabilities tbh.

I only hope they will be very open to feedback during the beta period, because I can bet my last gummydropbear they will initially set the DoT base too low, and I think 3x is too low.

You meant to say they killed Poison Arrow or that it has anything to do with double dipping?

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Saltygames wrote:

Poison arrow is very dependant on double dipping, projectile damage and all.