Let's talk about sanctuary cities

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Thats why Liberal cities are all cesspools.

Pretty hard to say that when you compare them to red states. Majority of the wealth in the US comes from those "cesspools".

Update on this issue: a state senate committee is sending a bill to the full TX senate which would halt funds for counties and cities that are "sanctuary". I hope that the local morons see sense and don't want to see a mass exodus of taxpayers from the county in order to uphold their wacky principles. I like the Governor's threat better. Remove these morons from office. They are not doing their jobs.

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kolyaboo wrote:

Update on this issue: a state senate committee is sending a bill to the full TX senate which would halt funds for counties and cities that are "sanctuary". I hope that the local morons see sense and don't want to see a mass exodus of taxpayers from the county in order to uphold their wacky principles. I like the Governor's threat better. Remove these morons from office. They are not doing their jobs.

Just so happens I live in Texas. C+P

Senator,

You might expect the Trump supporters in El Paso to encourage you to vote for the upcoming sanctuary city bill. Many may, but I will not; instead, I encourage you to vote against. Although we probably disagree on whether the federal immigration policy is a good thing or not, I think all can agree it's a federal policy — not a local one. I would welcome federal agencies to duly enforce federal laws, using allocated federal funds; you might not. But there is a bigger issue than immigration here: the principle of local self-determination. I do not want to see local self-determination and local funds conscripted by federal power, regardless of the issue. I understand you face mostly Republican opposition on this vote, so I hope you argue against this bill on their own terms — not as an immigration issue, but as a threat to the mandate of local governance.

Mine is voting for it. He already said.

I can see your PoV and respect it but disagree. It would be different if the state passed laws and ENFORCED them but they choose not to which is basically, by not doing anything, choosing to subvert their authority to the fed gov't.

They have state referendums all over the place for any damned thing; want to smoke pot? Want to put your parents to death? Want to ban smoking? Texting in the car? I don't know what all.

But no one thought to have a vote before a city turned into a "sanctuary"? Come on.

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SarahAustin wrote:

What are sanctuary cities? We dont have them around here.

Generally, it's a nickname for US cities with city governments that take some form of official measure(s) to not fully cooperate with enforcement of US federal immigration law upon its citizens.

My lonely argument is to remove "immigration" from the definition and specify a prefix for what type of law is not cooperated with; for example, could have immigration sanctuary cities, marijuana sanctuary cities, etc. But everyone else means immigration.

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SarahAustin wrote:

What are sanctuary cities? We dont have them around here.

It's a border-state problem (re: immigration). TX, NM, AZ, CA, and kinda-sorta NV.

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Like OP and Scrotie, I also live in TX and get to deal with this political crap first-hand.

There was a big public hearing in response to the bill penalizing cities for not matching the state in bending the knee -- 16 hours of people pleading with their elected state officials to change their mind. It went through with little effort, cries unheard.

TX, at least, appears to be fully in the swing of prohibiting any state- or local-level resistance to federal declarations.

I agree with OP, it should've probably gone through referendum first. Given that we can't turn back the clock, it should probably go through referendum now.

As far as state's rights issues are concerned, it's a stunning loss.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Thats why Liberal cities are all cesspools.

Pretty hard to say that when you compare them to red states. Majority of the wealth in the US comes from those "cesspools".

Red cities like Tulsa Forth Worth or SLC dont have tent cities and safely conditions worse than IRAQ war zones like LA or Chicago.

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pneuma wrote:

There was a big public hearing in response to the bill penalizing cities for not matching the state in bending the knee -- 16 hours of people pleading with their elected state officials to change their mind. It went through with little effort, cries unheard.

If I'm tracking it right, it passed committee (despite vocal opposition) but has yet to pass a general vote in the Senate. Or did I miss something? (Pretty much certain to pass anyway. Fuckers.)

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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pneuma wrote:

There was a big public hearing in response to the bill penalizing cities for not matching the state in bending the knee -- 16 hours of people pleading with their elected state officials to change their mind. It went through with little effort, cries unheard.

If I'm tracking it right, it passed committee (despite vocal opposition) but has yet to pass a general vote in the Senate. Or did I miss something? (Pretty much certain to pass anyway. Fuckers.)

Yeah, as you said. I was eliding some steps, but it passed committee and will 99.99999% pass the general.

This is atop the un-voted-on executive decision by the governor to cut funding (spec. to Austin) in whatever way he had the power to.