[2.6] CI HoWA ST - Uber / Shaper / Guardians Down - Budget Friendly?

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viper9494 wrote:
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viper9494 wrote:
Hi guys I am looking at 4 different trees for HoWA and I cannot figure out which is (on paper) the best I have pulled the stats i think are most important from each of the trees and have highlighted the winners in green and the ties are the same color. I will also provide the trees themselves to look at. Any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcIToB0HEIQ&feature=youtu.be



Ziggy:
https://goo.gl/H4ZBRQ

c9q9md:
https://goo.gl/iOVDpV

TheVoid:
https://goo.gl/Gh5CPm

Mathil:
https://goo.gl/Htr2fu



Anyone have any ideas as far as these trees?


I have done so much testing that I prefer my tree at the moment . But that said it also depends on gear and gems
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Astrohawke wrote:
Is there any consensus on whether or not point blank is worth it? It seems to me like the damage reduction vs trash is pretty irrelevant because trash should die from the initial hits anyway. Vs bosses you're using slower proj which requires you to be up close so you get the most out of PB. Yet a lot of people choose not to pick up this node.


It's been discussed earlier on in this thread (Page 33 if you're interested in reading up). The conclusion they came to was that PB was neutral for the most part.
hi newb question here, why do people get the "evasion per frenzy charge" and other evasion nodes, when u cant evade with unwavering stance anyway?

isnt all that +evade wasted?
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Geth83 wrote:
hi newb question here, why do people get the "evasion per frenzy charge" and other evasion nodes, when u cant evade with unwavering stance anyway?

isnt all that +evade wasted?


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I'm not seeing what you're talking about, apart from the Nullification Node near shadow tree.
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Geth83 wrote:
hi newb question here, why do people get the "evasion per frenzy charge" and other evasion nodes, when u cant evade with unwavering stance anyway?

isnt all that +evade wasted?


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I'm not seeing what you're talking about, apart from the Nullification Node near shadow tree.



sorry, its not in the built this thread is about, i was looking at all 4 builts comppared here:

Ziggy:
https://goo.gl/H4ZBRQ

c9q9md:
https://goo.gl/iOVDpV

TheVoid:
https://goo.gl/Gh5CPm

Mathil:
https://goo.gl/Htr2fu


@ziggys built he gets Void barrier with using 3 extra skill points, he gets +45% evasion which he cant use because of unwavering stance, i know he also gets energy shield and +resi, but to me it always feels like a waste if u dont use half the node.

also in Mathils built he gets "evasion per frenzy charge" when he could skip that node and get "frenzy charge duration" instead


so i wondered if i was missing somethin here
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Geth83 wrote:
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Geth83 wrote:
hi newb question here, why do people get the "evasion per frenzy charge" and other evasion nodes, when u cant evade with unwavering stance anyway?

isnt all that +evade wasted?


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I'm not seeing what you're talking about, apart from the Nullification Node near shadow tree.



sorry, its not in the built this thread is about, i was looking at all 4 builts comppared here:

Ziggy:
https://goo.gl/H4ZBRQ

c9q9md:
https://goo.gl/iOVDpV

TheVoid:
https://goo.gl/Gh5CPm

Mathil:
https://goo.gl/Htr2fu


@ziggys built he gets Void barrier with using 3 extra skill points, he gets +45% evasion which he cant use because of unwavering stance, i know he also gets energy shield and +resi, but to me it always feels like a waste if u dont use half the node.

also in Mathils built he gets "evasion per frenzy charge" when he could skip that node and get "frenzy charge duration" instead


so i wondered if i was missing somethin here


In Ziggys case,it looks like he was wanting to pickup more ES + Res overall. With the way his tree is built out, his only options for more ES is Void Barrier, or Melding. He might've been lacking in resists which may be the reason he took Void Barrier, although Melding could be taken if you wish to use a Energy from Within Jewel in the socket near it at the cost of another jewel.

Mathils case yeah i don't know why he took that instead of the Frenzy duration.
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Geth83 wrote:
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Geth83 wrote:
hi newb question here, why do people get the "evasion per frenzy charge" and other evasion nodes, when u cant evade with unwavering stance anyway?

isnt all that +evade wasted?


??
I'm not seeing what you're talking about, apart from the Nullification Node near shadow tree.



sorry, its not in the built this thread is about, i was looking at all 4 builts comppared here:

Ziggy:
https://goo.gl/H4ZBRQ

c9q9md:
https://goo.gl/iOVDpV

TheVoid:
https://goo.gl/Gh5CPm

Mathil:
https://goo.gl/Htr2fu


@ziggys built he gets Void barrier with using 3 extra skill points, he gets +45% evasion which he cant use because of unwavering stance, i know he also gets energy shield and +resi, but to me it always feels like a waste if u dont use half the node.

also in Mathils built he gets "evasion per frenzy charge" when he could skip that node and get "frenzy charge duration" instead


so i wondered if i was missing somethin here


Initially his crit version didn't spec into unwavering stance. He most likely just forgot as he spec'ed into the non-crit version and decided he needed the stun immunity.
GGG said in the recent design manifesto that HoWA might be nerfed in 2.6, and definitely in 3.0. Will HoWA go legacy like vinktars, or be globally nerfed like voltaxic?
I'm having issue hitting any kind of significant DPS even close to what people are posting here.

Can someone help me out perhaps? Please take a look at my gear below.



It's all at HO I'm only hitting 20k w/Golem.

Thanks!
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Fire309 wrote:
GGG said in the recent design manifesto that HoWA might be nerfed in 2.6, and definitely in 3.0. Will HoWA go legacy like vinktars, or be globally nerfed like voltaxic?

GGG said they will leave HoWA alone in 2.6 and in 3.0 it will be nerfed because they will change the poison and damage over time mechanic. So they won't directly nerf HoWA, just what HoWA abuses to become effective. If those changes are not enough, then they might nerf HoWA directly.

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