"Premium" Stash Tabs (New player feedback)

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mark1030 wrote:

And how would you know what typical fanboy stalker behavior is since you're a new player?

Because fanboys are exclusive to Path of Exile... i cant belive the amout of idiocy im reading in this thread.

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frenrihr wrote:

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Ageless_Emperion wrote:

Lol this gave me quite a chuckle.

1. There is nothing free in this world besides air, rain and the earth you can pick up with your hands.
2. Grow the fuck up and either use the tools at your disposal which are free like the forum or procurement or get a job/use your mommys' credit card.

No one is a being a fanboy in this thread, we are adults who understand that the past time we enjoy costs money in the form of people who have to be paid, hardware that needs to be leased and electricity to keep the lights on.

Oh, here comes the "reality check guy" how about you go to the same place i sent the first guy?

How about you take a break from spamming these forums with your childish rage? As entertaining as it is, it serves as much purpose as banging your head against a wall, but something tells me that may be one of your favorite pastimes...

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frenrihr wrote:

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

PoE is one of the most ethical free to play models out there. You can do plenty with 4 tabs and as mark pointed out, you don't need premium tabs to sell things. Stop having a fit and look at it from GGG's perspective. Stash tabs are their number one money maker outside of so called "whales" and mystery box sales. It makes sense to limit stash tabs in various ways to make you need to buy more if you want to continue expanding your playing options.

Sure poe.trade needs to be made an in game activity. No third party. But no straight out auction house has any business in this game and neither does handing out free stuff. I don't mind the idea of 1 tab being premium on making an account but that is all I would endorse.

How does an action hose in game"has no bussiness", are you mental invalid or something?, poe.trade is a stupid auction house.

Just wow.

Auction houses, like the one D3 had made selling and buying items trivial since they were pretty much automatic. The item instantly was given to you upon ponying up the gold for it. I don't and many other people don't want that. What would be nice and acceptable is if both people had to be online and actually personally confirm a trade. Furthermore, If poe.trade was implimented in game, I am sure GGG would try to push a non fixed price system since That may be part of the reason for such slow fixes to trading. To me it seems like they want buyouts at minimum and no prices and just offers to happen.

I apologize that I actually think about these things before and while posting. Not sure why I deserved such hostility other than having a hissy fit when somebody disagrees with you. In a place meant for discussion...

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

Auction houses, like the one D3 had made selling and buying items trivial since they were pretty much automatic. The item instantly was given to you upon ponying up the gold for it. I don't and many other people don't want that. What would be nice and acceptable is if both people had to be online and actually personally confirm a trade. Furthermore, If poe.trade was implimented in game, I am sure GGG would try to push a non fixed price system since That may be part of the reason for such slow fixes to trading. To me it seems like they want buyouts at minimum and no prices and just offers to happen.

I apologize that I actually think about these things before and while posting. Not sure why I deserved such hostility other than having a hissy fit when somebody disagrees with you. In a place meant for discussion...

Hi Pleiades, with all due respect, I don't get why you would like to require trading for people to be online? I for one is not into trading because of how it is being implemented the way it is now. Is it not better that if you have the currency to obtain an item from trade, you will be able to, even if the person auctioning it is offline? Better than spamming 10 to 20 people and all of them are afk? For now I think trading in POE is sub optimal, and it is not engaging. Not engaging in a sense that I really don't care much about it because of how.. roundabout it is, for lack of a better word.

Again, I have a suggestion, which I think if implemented correctly should be acceptable to most people and could have the potential to sell more Premium stash tabs.

(copy pasted from my previous post, edited a bit for clarity)

Poe.trade seem to work for most people, so why not put that menu in-game.
So you can trade even if the one you're buying from is off-line.
And not having to spam 10 to 20 people who are all AFK.

If I may, I have a suggestion on how to go about trading in POE.

- We should have a Trade window, much like our Stash Tabs menu.

- Inside the Trade window, lets just call it Trade, we will have one or two default and free Premium Stash Tab where we can sell items for currency. If you want more you can buy from the MTX, it will be placed by default in your Stash Tab, but you can re-assign an empty Premium Stash tab to Trade if you like (you can re-assign this Premium stash tab once it's empty).

- Once you make a sale a remove only Stash Tab is created inside your Trade, this will contain your currency sale.

- Also inside Trade is the item search and currency exchange menu, much like POE.Trade, where we can filter items we want to buy.

- Once we purchase the item, this item will again be put inside the remove only Stash Tab inside our Trade.

- Putting an item or stack of currency into Trade from your Stash Tab will trigger a menu much like selling an item to the vendor, the difference is the above space will contain the details of your auction, like how long will it stay there, the amount of chromatic orbs you need to pay, buyout price, etc.

- If your Item fails to sell on the specified cooldown time, it will again be relegated into the remove only tab inside your Trade.

That's it, painless and easy.

(end of copy paste)

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element274 wrote:

Hi Pleiades, with all due respect, I don't get why you would like to require trading for people to be online? I for one is not into trading because of how it is being implemented the way it is now. Is it not better that if you have the currency to obtain an item from trade, you will be able to, even if the person auctioning it is offline? Better than spamming 10 to 20 people and all of them are afk? For now I think trading in POE is sub optimal, and it is not engaging. Not engaging in a sense that I really don't care much about it because of how.. roundabout it is, for lack of a better word.

I don't care if they are particularly online or not, mostly I feel that immediate tradeoffs is kind of off putting and can be detrimental to trade in general. People who can afford to would put as many items as they can in hundreds of stash tabs and can just let chaos come rolling in if all they have to do is look at it for 4 seconds and say "1, 2, 3 etc. chaos" and then they are essentially done. Something must limit trade in a way that keeps people from flooding the market with every single rare that drops.

My ideal scenario that I have thought about is that each person needs to log in at least once on the website to accept the deal. There should be an easy interface that the buyer can make an offer/meet the buyout, the other person gets a message and can accept or reject or ask for a specific counteroffer and then the buyer has to confirm again just to prevent people buying an item since the seller took so long to be on again that the buyer looked elsewhere. This is just what I think would be one of the easiest ways to prevent market flooding.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

I don't care if they are particularly online or not, mostly I feel that immediate tradeoffs is kind of off putting and can be detrimental to trade in general. People who can afford to would put as many items as they can in hundreds of stash tabs and can just let chaos come rolling in if all they have to do is look at it for 4 seconds and say "1, 2, 3 etc. chaos" and then they are essentially done. Something must limit trade in a way that keeps people from flooding the market with every single rare that drops.

My ideal scenario that I have thought about is that each person needs to log in at least once on the website to accept the deal. There should be an easy interface that the buyer can make an offer/meet the buyout, the other person gets a message and can accept or reject or ask for a specific counteroffer and then the buyer has to confirm again just to prevent people buying an item since the seller took so long to be on again that the buyer looked elsewhere. This is just what I think would be one of the easiest ways to prevent market flooding.

Hmnn.. For me, I don't really care if other people drown themselves with chaos orbs.
All I care is I can sell and buy stuff in an easy, fun and structured way of trading.
The limit of how much you can auction is how many premium stash tabs you own.
If people can afford lots of Premium Stash Tabs them let them, I know people complain that POE is pay2win because of this but it is what it is, GGG needs money to operate, and this is one of their method of gaining revenue.

Market flooding will happen because some people in this present scenario don't even bother trading, like me, and now they will. I agree with you on this.
And as of the present POE doesn't have an item sink of some sort. Every item, you can essentially auction after your bored or done with it. I think your fears are very valid.
I think they need to implement a system that will bind that item into the players account once certain conditions are met. Not sure how GGG will go about this but WoW successfully has implemented this with their BOE (bind on equip), BOP (bind on pickup) and BOA (bind on account) item system.

Now for your ideal scenario yes, I think this can be done.
When you auction an item, you can put a buyout price for that item.
Then you will have to pay for how long your item will be available in the auction.
Say 1 chromatic orb per item or per stack of currencies for 24 hours, 2 if you want to double that, but 2 days is the limit.
A buyer can then either pay you the buyout currencies or make an offer.
In the case of a buyout, then nothing needs to happen anymore, you will have those currencies in the remove only stash tabs in your Trade window and the buyer can have the item.

In a case where the buyer will make an offer, then you will have to look into your Trade window and confirm if you accept the offer or reject it.
If for some reason no action is taken before the cooldown ends, no transaction will happen.
The player will then have to look into his Trade window every now an then to see if an offer is being made.
An offer can be in a form of a different set of currencies than your buyout, or an item he wants to trade it with you for.

Problem with taxing auctions is that there is no way to set taxing prices appropriately. Prices of items are decided by players so how do you decide how much to tax when both the items and the currency ratios are determined by the market and each person's individual ratios?

The truth is this guy really thinks GGG owes people premium stash tabs to trade... This game is FREE TO PLAY, however GGG makes money from supporters that donate to get bonuses in-game, mostly quality of life, or cosmetic items. Premium Stash Tabs are only sold so GGG can keep POE and all existing expansions free for their pretty sizable player base.

Like somebody pointed out, if you don't want to use 3rd party programs to list your items, or buy stash tabs to help support the game, then do your manual item listing on the forums.

POE.TRADE is nothing like Auction House. Poe.Trade is a 3rd-Party Forum Indexer that helps players find your items from the forums much easier. Acquisition and Procurement are 3rd-Party Forum Thread update programs to help to maintain your shop on the forums.

You cry so hard about this game being P2W simply because stash tabs (that cost money) make it easier for a player to list items?

Did I mention (I guess I didn't), that Acquisition automatically updates your forum thread, and automatically refreshes your stash tabs to make sure all your items are listed.... And from what I've seen they're 100% Virus Free and legit.

There's too many of these CRY BABY threads on this forums... I wish GGG could just simply filter them for us :(

About auction house:
Bots. This is the one thing you are missing.

Other than that - fair feedback, I guess. Lets ignore the fact you are lying about being a new player. And are entitled for no reason:

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BTW i dont expend money in games that try to put limits on me so i buy something, i give those games the middle finger, i only support f2p games with an honest model, so unless you change this, no money from me.

How about everyone else give you a middle finger too, and we'll have a nice middle finger party?
GGG isn't forcing you into anything. The model is honest and clear. If you don't want to expend money, just don't. If I were you, I'd try that method on D3 forums, and see how it works. Wonder if anyone will even respond.