ZiggyD test for CoC 2.4 with Carl interview

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Bars wrote:

I have a list of everyone who complained the hardest about coc in the forum. I'll see which skills they are playing the most, build a mediocre CoC build and start comparing and complaining how overpowered their favorite skills are and demanding nerfs because they are 'total bullshit' :P

I dare you, that CoC build would have to be very, very crappy in my case :)

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Schakar wrote:

Playing with a CoC-discharg player was imposible for me.
1) I have a damn bad inet connection and the overload on information crashed me many times.
2) It was pur eye cancer and I got headache from this stroboskop flashing.
So it was either the CoC-discharge guy leave or me (as I started partys often I simply kicked them no matter how overpowert the build was).

And I still see CoC alive ;).
Building a pur caster guy who spams Fireball/AB/Speer is far harder and mana intens then building a CoC spamming 1to3 spells.

Just do the mana cost math for:
- CoC + Kinetik Blast + GMP + spell + spell + spell +PLUS+ ONE "x mana on hit" jewel
and
- Spell + Echo + Fastcast + suport + suport + suport

It is far easier to keep CoC running then to keep Spell-spam running! Even more as you can get "x mana on hit" from weapons, jewels, rings, amulet, gloves ... which all do not apply to spells!!!

Yeah, why are you playing self-cast instead of coc if it's so great then? Eh? Mana cost in this game is a joke, you can solve it in a thousand different ways, the simplest is blasphemy - warlord's mark which also gives you nice life leech, super easy. Hell, CoC builds use warlord's mark only for the life leech!

#justice for coc!

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raics wrote:

I dare you, that CoC build would have to be very, very crappy in my case :)

your build won't be in the majority of what coc complainers are playing, I can bet my balls on it :P

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Bars wrote:

I have a list of everyone who complained the hardest about coc in the forum. I'll see which skills they are playing the most, build a mediocre CoC build and start comparing and complaining how overpowered their favorite skills are and demanding nerfs because they are 'total bullshit' :P

"So I have to invest heavily in weapon crit but also in spell crit and damage and I can cast two spells per second while a hard caster invests only in spell crit/damage, doesn't need expensive gear like a vagan dagger or accuracy and can easily cast 8-10 times per second with better supports?"

NOT FAIR!

I know your all "hihihi" at the moment, but why would you invest heavily in weapon crit?

Why build a CoC build under the same conditions as the old version when it has just been reworked.

The real problem, is going to be reflect under the new system. Since the old versions used low dps spam with vaal pact and the new version promotes impactful single cast's which might kill a char before vaal pact activates.(since people will still aim for one activation one screen explodes)

Peace,

-Boem-

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Nothing wrong with using a self-cast spell on bosses or a full melee skill btw.

CoC and variants where intended to be hybrid characters from the get-go. And people might focus them now this way.

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I could see a shield charge/flicker strike bladefall CoC assasin being very potent that uses viper strike on bosses to burst them down in a few seconds in a 4-link. I don't understand what would be wrong with that either.

@Boem: why do I have to invest in weapon crit?

...to activate CoC, perhaps? duh... do you even coc bro?

But you're right, reflect will hurt more now too!


About hybrid characters, PoE has never, ever encouraged hybrids. It's 'specialization or gtfo'. I tried theorycrafting a few hybrid coc specs and guess what, the pure specialized options were always better.

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raics wrote:

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SpanishMonarch wrote:

Frankly, it looks better than old CoC. QQ threads completely unwarranted

Yes, certainly, though I'd say that's because the old one was total bullshit.

But will you play this when Essence starts tonight? That's my point. How many will?

No. I don't play COC unless I want to grief noobs with bad computers, and this patch has, ostensibly, fixed that.

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Bars wrote:

@Boem: why do I have to invest in weapon crit?

...to activate CoC, perhaps? duh... do you even coc bro?

But you're right, reflect will hurt more now too!

CoC has a 100% proq rate and has a 500MS internal cooldown.

So why invest heavily in weapon crit was my question. One dagger crit cluster and some global crit(for both melee and spell%) will do just fine to proq it 2x/sec.

Do you even CoC in 2.4 bro?


Anyway i thought you would understand what i wrote. Do i even CoC? Well i played CoC-cyclone-ek and variants for a year and a half.(you can view character "cyclonewitchisabitch" for my unkillable variant in the old days)
Though i never played it with multispam spells.

Cyclone CoC EK used to be perfect to substitute a melee build when the game was all about %life for melee users. Since you didn't have to invest much in offense thx to the spam and didn't have to find a suitable weapon.(this was before masters etc)
So it was a smart way to play melee at the time.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Bars wrote:

your build won't be in the majority of what coc complainers are playing, I can bet my balls on it :P

Your balls are most likely safe, they would have to apply another nerf like this to make CoC intimidated by facebreaker dervish summoner... duelist :)

But yeah, you should probably take me off the list anyway because I wasn't complaining about power level as much as other aspects of it.

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SpanishMonarch wrote:

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raics wrote:

But will you play this when Essence starts tonight? That's my point. How many will?

No. I don't play COC unless I want to grief noobs with bad computers, and this patch has, ostensibly, fixed that.

Right. You know, this game is actually chock full of things that seem nifty and yet almost nobody plays them, you usually have to give people a reason.

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Boem wrote:

So why invest heavily in weapon crit was my question.

I suppose it depends how fast you're attacking and what you're triggering with.

Shield charge + bino's assassin will do perfectly fine with the new CoC changes.

- shield charge
- CoC
- bladefall
- hypothermia
- crit multy
- poison/fortify/whatever suits your fancy

Is going to clear every pack in your way pretty much instantly

- viper strike
- crit multy
- faster attacks
- hypothermia
(- inherent poison)

Is going to burst down bosses in a second or 3.

Only difference is that you will need to swap to viper strike on bosses rather then single spam the entire map. Will that really mean the end of CoC? I'm not seeing it.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

Do you even CoC in 2.4 bro?

Spoiler

prolly not?

Of course not :D

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Boem wrote:

Shield charge + bino's assassin will do perfectly fine with the new CoC changes.

Will you play it in Essence then?

What you described is pretty much what a CoMK build could do before 2.4.
Was anyone playing it? Nope.