ZiggyD test for CoC 2.4 with Carl interview

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monkuar wrote:

2:50

"Which is also a performance hit in the game"

LMAO. So they basically are nerfing CoC because their game engine cannot handle it. Haha, so they nerf a skill's mechanics because of their own engine. The downfall of POE at it's finest, what's next? Oh that's right, time to nerf Mjolner now too because it lags and has a negative "performance effect" towards our game.

As I said, it's time for a new engine. David Brevik (still alive) -- and the ex-D2 dev that recently passed away would be rolling over in their graves right now.

What a fucking mess

Show me an engine that can handle that many particles without a problem. Btw your example has to be an online game since CoC also had a big impact on latency. Good luck.

Hint: even D3, which is widely accepted as a well optimized game, tanks hard fps wise when there's a lot of shit going on on the screen.

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guggelhupf wrote:

show me a boss fight with the new coc and we will see, killing trash means nothing

I'd be happy to just see it compared to exactly the same build, just swapping out CoC, KB, Fireball and arctic breath for Spell Echo, controlled destruction, and two other damage support gems.

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silverdash wrote:

Yeah killing solo trash mobs in a fairly low/mediocre level map is not a good dps-check.

in fairness thats a new gorge map, which is a T13 or T14, somewhere around there.

Trash build.

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Xavderion wrote:

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monkuar wrote:

2:50

"Which is also a performance hit in the game"

LMAO. So they basically are nerfing CoC because their game engine cannot handle it. Haha, so they nerf a skill's mechanics because of their own engine. The downfall of POE at it's finest, what's next? Oh that's right, time to nerf Mjolner now too because it lags and has a negative "performance effect" towards our game.

As I said, it's time for a new engine. David Brevik (still alive) -- and the ex-D2 dev that recently passed away would be rolling over in their graves right now.

What a fucking mess

Show me an engine that can handle that many particles without a problem. Btw your example has to be an online game since CoC also had a big impact on latency. Good luck.

Hint: even D3, which is widely accepted as a well optimized game, tanks hard fps wise when there's a lot of shit going on on the screen.

ya, I mean the other way around it is to make all spells have significantly lower quality effects, then you could have them cast that fast. It is a choice to have this proc less and have spells look better than vice versa. D3 has far lower quality effects, a lot less particles, less layers, less distortions and lights etc, and it still stumbles over heavy situations in the game.

Brevik? If only Qarl and co could have come up with an amazing game like marvel heros I guess?

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dudiobugtron wrote:

I'd be happy to just see it compared to exactly the same build, just swapping out CoC, KB, Fireball and arctic breath for Spell Echo, controlled destruction, and two other damage support gems.

Also, with weapon crit respecced to spell crit, please.

The main problem with CoMK builds all this time was they were absolutely pointless, a straight spec using the same skill will beat CoMK setup and won't have trouble with bosses. I can see CoC going the same way, probably not even the ultra easy EE cheese will be able to save it.

Of course, not saying it will be unusable, some will still play it, the setup just won't be popular anymore. I'm personally not bothered by that too much because I've always been of the opinion trigger gems should be niche, however the rework also made them uninteresting and you don't make a niche gem uninteresting because it can easily go from niche to full dead, like Elemental Hit.

Frankly, it looks better than old CoC. QQ threads completely unwarranted

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SpanishMonarch wrote:

Frankly, it looks better than old CoC. QQ threads completely unwarranted

Yes, certainly, though I'd say that's because the old one was total bullshit.

But will you play this when Essence starts tonight? That's my point. How many will?

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raics wrote:

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SpanishMonarch wrote:

Frankly, it looks better than old CoC. QQ threads completely unwarranted

Yes, certainly, though I'd say that's because the old one was total bullshit.

But will you play this when Essence starts tonight? That's my point. How many will?

I have a list of everyone who complained the hardest about coc in the forum. I'll see which skills they are playing the most, build a mediocre CoC build and start comparing and complaining how overpowered their favorite skills are and demanding nerfs because they are 'total bullshit' :P

"So I have to invest heavily in weapon crit but also in spell crit and damage and I can cast two spells per second while a hard caster invests only in spell crit/damage, doesn't need expensive gear like a vagan dagger or accuracy and can easily cast 8-10 times per second with better supports?"

NOT FAIR!

Playing with a CoC-discharg player was imposible for me.
1) I have a damn bad inet connection and the overload on information crashed me many times.
2) It was pur eye cancer and I got headache from this stroboskop flashing.
So it was either the CoC-discharge guy leave or me (as I started partys often I simply kicked them no matter how overpowert the build was).

And I still see CoC alive ;).
Building a pur caster guy who spams Fireball/AB/Speer is far harder and mana intens then building a CoC spamming 1to3 spells.

Just do the mana cost math for:
- CoC + Kinetik Blast + GMP + spell + spell + spell +PLUS+ ONE "x mana on hit" jewel
and
- Spell + Echo + Fastcast + suport + suport + suport

It is far easier to keep CoC running then to keep Spell-spam running! Even more as you can get "x mana on hit" from weapons, jewels, rings, amulet, gloves ... which all do not apply to spells!!!