Please consider this alternate nerf to Frost Wall
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^ Wanna bet he used that PS on his 6L though?
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Yea he was a PS wander didn;t use KB at all.
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" Right. Do you by any chance recall if he swapped out his GMP+Chain for DPS supports, meaning that he was efectively running a 6L target skill? |
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" I expect anyone to prepare for bosses if it's a endgame encounter (t13 maps and higher for example). For bosses under that it shouldn't even matter because they generally have little life. On my last wander a 4L power siphon was good enough to kill up to t10 bosses in under 10 hits, which is rather fine. I doubt you will ever get what you want mate (and what you want is to have your cake and eat it too), but if it feels good to continue posting on this matter go ahead. [2.2] The Vampire - Tanky 2H Axe Slayer Duelist - /view-thread/1611662
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Sorry I can't remember, and I can't find the video on youtube anymore. He wasn't a streamer or anything, and I had randomly come across it back then. The only thing I remember was that he was low-life with most of the dps auras and also running RF (along with pre-nerf crown of eyes i assume).
But I'm guessing he probably did swap them out because that kind of extreme DPS before ascendancy and without mirrored gear would be hard to get with chain and GMP. |
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Totally agree with @OP.
Back when I played I used the Frostwall in exactly that way. Place it behind an enemie (boss) and start hitting it with KB. I can see that multiple FWs and piercing them can be considered too strong. But honestly, the best way to nerf it would have been to make FWs not piercable, maybe even make it so you can just have one Frostwall at a time. Sadly GGG often takes the easy route. Wasn't it the same with the Curse thing back a few month... where you could get mobs to pretty much 0% movement and attacking speed? And they pretty much nerfed a lot of builds because of it, instead of just setting up some limits. This is the same thing all over again... just taking the easy way. With the curse thing there was enough backlash luckely. But I feel not so many care about the good old Frostwall that much. |
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" Well it's just annoying if you mostly chain run T13+'s, and as mentioned before doesn't really add much balance to that situation since you can do the preparation regardless. Anyway yeah, let's just agree to disagree. " Agreed there, but the day I become apathic to issues I see is likely the day I stop playing entirely, regardless of how small those issues might seem to you personally. " Meh, not really. Pretty much every other archetype gets to incorporate an AoE skill and a single-target into their builds. Why should it be either/or for wanders? " Shit no. I just spend 5 pages trying to explain to people that wanders can't do useful single-target skills on a 4L, despite several other very experienced wander players coming in to agree with that. That particular activity doesn't really feel good. |
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" This used to be true, couple of years ago maybe .... Builds using an AoE with so much power don't need a single target skill. Check poison bladefall mines ..... SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
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" no. you spent 5 pages asking for an unreasonable power. your opinion on 4L viability stems from KB being absurdly strong and setting a stupid high benchmark. THIS is the problem. the so called 'root' of it wanders are arguably the fastest map clearers in the game. by a long shot. not because people make good builds, are geniuses in disguise or their items are crazy good - no. that power comes DIRECTLY from KB being stupid strong. after bringing KB to proper power level (50% is a rough but i think reasonable estimate when compared with top casters/archers - melee is shit noone cares about) your 'issue' goes puff.. as long as the KB is as strong as it is - the 4L options 'suck' but it is only due to skewed perception. that much power KB gives makes a lasting impression and makes everything look like melee btw - that 'not useful single target damage' you complain about is most probably the strongest in the game anyway. |
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" Just to make sure: I am writing in English right? I'm not having a stroke or anything and actually writing in another language without realizing? Because no matter how I try to phrase it, you keep spouting off about the power of KB without ever engaging directly with any of my arguments. At this point I'm starting to assume you're just actively trolling. Anyway, if you're right that the power comes from KB, and not gear or anything, and if that 4L single-target is up there with the strongest in the game.... Then I'm sure we'll see plenty of wanders pushing competitive ladder in the next league, right? Last edited by acme_myst#0530 on Sep 2, 2016, 12:57:32 PM
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