Replace max resists with diminishing returns

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goetzjam wrote:

Except it is too late now.

Res effects almost every single aspect of the game. Its how some unique items are balanced, its how content is balanced, its how map mods are balanced, tree, regular gear, auras, I could go on and on. The gain simply isn't worth it to change a system that truly does work now.

The undertaking would be MASSIVE and when it doesn't work it will be disastrous, this isn't anywhere near as easy as the leech change to do and even that they were not able flesh out completely during the beta period. Its not like they can do no other changes but focus a beta on just this, what do we have to gain from this either, besides the idea that somehow res becomes less mandatory for characters or high es\life characters?


IDK i don't think it would ever happen because the work involved and the benefits don't come anywhere close to being worth it.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Except it is too late now.

Res effects almost every single aspect of the game. Its how some unique items are balanced, its how content is balanced, its how map mods are balanced, tree, regular gear, auras, I could go on and on. The gain simply isn't worth it to change a system that truly does work now.

The undertaking would be MASSIVE and when it doesn't work it will be disastrous, this isn't anywhere near as easy as the leech change to do and even that they were not able flesh out completely during the beta period. Its not like they can do no other changes but focus a beta on just this, what do we have to gain from this either, besides the idea that somehow res becomes less mandatory for characters or high es\life characters?


IDK i don't think it would ever happen because the work involved and the benefits don't come anywhere close to being worth it.

It's never late.
I dont say we should remake resistance system. It may stay - you have to get 135% of each resistance (more VS elemental weakness, EE, etc) and be OK.
MAXIMUM resistance bonuses are those, that add imbalance into that system, because of too high increased returns when you're close too 100% (and getting immunity at 100% is just silly). GGG continuosly nerfs bonuses to maximum resists to prevent abuses (last time, flasks were nerfed).
I want to remove "+ X% to maximum resistance to Y" at ALL, and replace them with "You take (X*5)% less damage from Y" (or maybe a bit higher, for balance purposes). It's very simple, and can be done without changing engine even!

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SerythXavier wrote:

This suggestion would eliminate the need to 'choose' what is required on a piece of rare gear. It's almost like shoehorning people into such specific pieces that it would take a long time to actually reach a cap. Or a better example: Set pieces in Diablo 3.

Calculations and a couple reasons why it won't work

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Let's say I grabbed all perfectly rolled gear. 45% tri res on all pieces, includes a shield, and jewellery.

That's 45 x 9 pieces.
405 resistances total. By your calculations, everyone would have 77% all resistances. And this is assuming highest end tiers of affixes.

Capping resistances would be difficult, and cause a lot of pain for the casual players, who already have a hard time finding half decent gear. This also causes many players who hates farming their ass off all day to potentially leave the game, as they can't seem to reach that height of perfection (or as close as it can possibly be)

Refer to this webpage for theoretical max resistances
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Resistance#Theoretical_maximum

Applying to maps

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Let's assume we did your suggestion and applied it to maps.
Let's say the map -res mod was -10.
That would mean the -res mod would become less effective (as your maximum resistance becomes 67%, rather than 65%) which makes this mod less terrifying, which defeats the purpose of the mod, for a risk vs reward mechanic point of view. OR, to be technically correct, less risk, more reward.

Applying it to the main game

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It would take ages to max out your resistances early on, as everything could potentially one shot you. And nobody likes to be one shot. Even that nice looking spark mage who happens to be next to you, and casts one measly little spark in your direction, only to dunk you for 1/2 hp.

Seeing it from all sides

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As much as your suggestion could break some of the stagnation (only some), it would break some of the game's mechanics in a wonky sort of way. Anything resistance related would probably have to be re-calculated, a good amount of code would have to be re-coded, and players soon realise elemental damage does too little, or too much.

Also, all end game curses are level 20.
Elemental weakness does 39%
All specific elemental curses do 49%

And these can stack on top of each other. Under the assumption we're using your suggestion, this would make curses as a whole kinda pointless, as it doesn't affect your resistances much other than reducing it by like what... 3-4%? So there's another broken mechanic.

All in all, I don't think it'll work out. Just my 2 wisdoms.

EDIT:

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Maximum Resistances were nerfed because it was too easy to reach the maximum in the first place (Anyone who remembers elemental adaptation knows this). Besides, many of the maximum bonuses either eat up a slot, and a whole slew of stats that may not benefit the build, or are temporary (Like flasks). If the player has found a way to have 100% up time, and to so through what GGG has provided for them, the deserve 100% uptime.

Play a flaskfinder. Embrace the 88% all res. God knows damage conversion isn't broken kappa.