[2.3] 2MIL DPS (4MIL in theory) JUGGERNAUT New Era of COC DISCHARGE (Uber Atziri/ Core Deathless)

Hey Ray, I think there is one minor adjustment to your base tree that is slightly better. On the very left bottom instead of taking 'Endurance Charge Duration' you can take 'Life and Armour' Node and then move up from there so the Templar area is linked through the 'Juggernaut' Passive.

You lose 18% end charge duration (don't need this) but you will gain 4% max life and 8% armour.

It is minor, no doubt, but a better min/max optimization.
Last edited by __SirPuFFaLoT__ on Jul 8, 2016, 8:04:54 AM
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Hey Ray, I think there is one minor adjustment to your base tree that is slightly better. On the very left bottom instead of taking 'Endurance Charge Duration' you can take 'Life and Armour' Node and then move up from there so the Templar area is linked through the 'Juggernaut' Passive.

You lose +10 strength (+5 life) and 18% end charge duration (don't need this) but you will gain 4% max life and 8% armour which yields a net gain of life/armour compared to the original (See __BamBam__ in my profile for clarification).

It is minor, no doubt, but a better min/max optimization.

Ya i noticed that, thanks
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aphrodite_1289 can u link skill tree which u are currently using ?

and gear ?


i have mana problems when i fight bosses ...
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Last edited by zeldzioszka on Jul 9, 2016, 1:16:49 PM
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zeldzioszka wrote:
aphrodite_1289 can u link skill tree which u are currently using ?

and gear ?


i have mana problems when i fight bosses ...

Here's my solution when i was fighting against some long duration boss fight (e.g. core Malachai),
I turn off my poacher's mark curse aura, and take off

Instead, I use


You can check my core run video. I sustained mana cost by simply using mana flask.

My tree is the one "For those who prefer to get Flask Charges/ Attack Speed/ Movement" in Tree spoiler.
My gears is listed in Stats spoiler.
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Last edited by aphrodite_1289 on Jul 10, 2016, 4:25:04 AM
do you run empower 4 + immortal call ? when u fight with trio ???
"Path of Exile's engine is currently modern, lean and fast." - Chris Wilson, September 19th, 2019
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zeldzioszka wrote:
do you run empower 4 + immortal call ? when u fight with trio ???


Ya, i take off CWDT and lv11 immortal call. Instead, I used Empower and 20/20 immortal call to self cast, but Empower is unnecessary since its not a significant buff. The main reason i used it just because the sockets are RR.

More specifically, the color of my glove is fixed with RRRG
Normal gem setup in my glove is CWDT - IC - Inc duration - (Blood rage or vaal haste)
Setup to against Trio is Empower - IC - Inc duration - (Blood rage or vaal haste)
Setup to against Atziri is CWDT - IC - Decoy Totem - (Blood rage or vaal haste)

I like using decoy totem to fight with atziri so that I dont need to self dodge flameblast all the time.
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Last edited by aphrodite_1289 on Jul 10, 2016, 12:33:49 PM
Currently using this build but felt that pcoc is not very stable. The below scenerio could/had happened:

1) max Ec 1pc, discharge proc and Ec gone, no pc procs due to pcoc not proccing. Died to volatile xblood explosion

2) above same, no pc procs from pcoc after discharge, rf continues burning fast and only 0.5s response time to press pot to deactivate rf. Dies from 0.5s slow response

3) same scenerio whereby pcoc did not proc pc thus no ec gained after expanded pc, izaro teleports you and 1 shotted you with reave.

Also i had 65% unbuffed cyclone crit rate which sometimes did not even crit after >5 cast of cyclone. Too much openings which leaves this build unstable.

TL;DR, pcoc might not be a stable power charge generator which might rip you in that split second.

Other than that, no complains on the build which works as intended.
Last edited by SoundSurround on Jul 10, 2016, 11:04:11 PM
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SoundSurround wrote:
Currently using this build but felt that pcoc is not very stable. The below scenerio could/had happened:

1) max Ec 1pc, discharge proc and Ec gone, no pc procs due to pcoc not proccing. Died to volatile xblood explosion

2) above same, no pc procs from pcoc after discharge, rf continues burning fast and only 0.5s response time to press pot to deactivate rf. Dies from 0.5s slow response

3) same scenerio whereby pcoc did not proc pc thus no ec gained after expanded pc, izaro teleports you and 1 shotted you with reave.

Also i had 65% unbuffed cyclone crit rate which sometimes did not even crit after >5 cast of cyclone. Too much openings which leaves this build unstable.

TL;DR, pcoc might not be a stable power charge generator which might rip you in that split second.

Other than that, no complains on the build which works as intended.

Thanks for comment.
As I said in this guide, this build is made for the intention of constantly max endurance charges up.

Im curious why you have such extremely different experience than others do.

According to your description, "Also i had 65% unbuffed cyclone crit rate which sometimes did not even crit after >5 cast of cyclone. Too much openings which leaves this build unstable."

I feel like you dont use diamond flask, do you? If so, I recommend you try it on and enjoy this game.

or can u open your character so that i can check whats the problem is with you.
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Last edited by aphrodite_1289 on Jul 11, 2016, 2:55:24 AM
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Thanks for comment.
As I said in this guide, this build is made for the intention of constantly max endurance charges up.

Im curious why you have such extremely different experience than others do.

According to your description, "Also i had 65% unbuffed cyclone crit rate which sometimes did not even crit after >5 cast of cyclone. Too much openings which leaves this build unstable."

I feel like you dont use diamond flask, do you? If so, I recommend you try it on and enjoy this game.

or can u open your character so that i can check whats the problem is with you.


Done. Character under DreamsAndKaboomz. I do use the flask, but sometimes Izaro teleports you away at the right moment without your EC up.

Look at your own video, Core run, 56s mark. You have 0 EC 0 PC charges upon discharge ended. Good that the next pack of mobs is nearby.

I run dousing incase such things happened, but its a risk to take. I run 1 basalt in the event failure of EC occur. But shit do happen especially on long fights. Carrying multiple people on uber with Izaro having high hp, some flask just dont sustain well.

Spoiler

Gear


Flask


Tree
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAEBAAAGAZEB3ASzBS0Gxg2NEuEUIBX2FrsYaho4HNwnLyj6LdIuUzLRNZI62DrhPAU9_EGHQzFFR0WdR35KfUz_TeNOKlNSVbVXDVgHWGNbr12kXz9hIWJ5ZKNlTWjybzt07Xasd-N4DXgveWh85YKbgseE2YTvh3aPGo9GkFWRzpJ9lmyYb5itmjua4Juhns2f36IAouqmV6cIqW6tjbXytz64k7vtvTa-p8ABwBrAZsEExFjG2M9-0iHTb9i92WHawdwj3dXjn-XP6hjr7uw47w7vfPAf8kXzjfSD9kj3Mve5-ej-Cv6P

Gonna respec so you might not see it anymore. The above is for your reference if you need. I'm not saying the build is bad. But I just feel that the style and pcoc rate turns me off.

Dont go all defensive and start saying "I dont use flask". I played this till i'm 87 and i think i had enough.

Last edited by SoundSurround on Jul 11, 2016, 3:53:33 AM
First, RF shouldnt be used while clearing map, cause you might be able to one shot yourself. I used it in video just because i was tired to switch on/off before/after boss fight.

So the video seems no problem to me. As long as there are mobs for you to cyclone, you can have endurance charges up. On the contrary, no mobs, no need endurance charges just like the Core run 56s u pointed out. Actually Core run 10s is the same case. But you can always self-generate charges with scold's bridle when u encounter no mobs.

Im not saying you can always have endurance charges up after each of your discharge. More precisely, according to PCOC 50% chance, that means theoretically you can trigger PCOC at least one time per cyclone under the premise that both 2 hits of cyclone trigger COC.

I dont use RF in Izaro due to his annoying teleport skill. And there are two solution to fight with Izaro, first, self cast IC, Second, bring either granite flask or basalt flask. I personally prefer bring flask, granite flask more specifically. Thats enough for you to not get oneshot.

Your character seems fine to me, and no i am not defensing but trying to help figuring out what your problem is. You said "you did not even crit after >5 cast of cyclone" which is pretty impossible to me. Sorry I cant find any reason to explain your experience here if it happens to you frequently. Because I'v never encountered such issuse. In my video, I was pretty stable to trigger casting discharge and kill every pack's / bosses.
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Last edited by aphrodite_1289 on Jul 11, 2016, 7:05:45 AM

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