[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

Managed to buy staff for 4 chaos:), too bad I dont have enough strenght to wear it, and Astramentus is too expensive for now, I ll try to find some +strengh jewellry so I could finally use it

Gonna be giving this a shot for the first time in Breach HC.



That's my level 33 setup. Hopefully its as strong as everyones saying.

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electrolights wrote:

Gonna be giving this a shot for the first time in Breach HC.

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That's my level 33 setup. Hopefully its as strong as everyones saying.

thats a nice setup!

maybe you can craft 26-30 int on the boots via cata...

btw dont go ham on breaches early on... would be a shame to rip away all that gear.

Just gonna put this out there...

Ive started using a 5s 4l WI for leveling with incinerate > cwc > incinerate > ele focus, with controlled destruction on the separate slot. I would be using it all fully linked but I cant afford to link it.

Using a level 6 cwc puts the triggering time at .42 seconds, my cast speed on the ability at this level is about .5 or so...it feels a lot smoother doing it this way (Im not locked to the second animation for echo, or indeed any animation at all).

At my level, the drop on damage per cast from icestorm is about equivalent to the damage tooltip of stage 1 incinerate (waaay underleveled and missing a link).

I think in the end of the day the scaling of int and cold damage as well as fire for ice storm will far outweigh the damage of the primary incinerate, but its food for thought, and certainly a much less painful way to cast the skill while leveling... Incinerate also doesnt target lock and has an EXTREMELY short interval of cast time, making placement and breaking of casts very smooth. The ice storm is cast at mouse location regardless of how far the incinerate beam goes, so you can cast off screen just the same as you can now - you just wont get the incinerate damage.

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Pathological wrote:

Just gonna put this out there...

Ive started using a 5s 4l WI for leveling with incinerate > cwc > incinerate > ele focus, with controlled destruction on the separate slot. I would be using it all fully linked but I cant afford to link it.

Using a level 6 cwc puts the triggering time at .42 seconds, my cast speed on the ability at this level is about .5 or so...it feels a lot smoother doing it this way (Im not locked to the second animation for echo, or indeed any animation at all).

well, using a normal setup, this build achieves a cast time of around 0.37s. using incinerate and cwc uses up two jewel sockets. the lowest damage jewel we have in our setup is controlled destruction with a 45% more multiplier. at the bare minimum, this setup would lose a total multiplier of 1.45*1.45 = 2.1. so the damage of the icestorms cast by the incin - cwc setup would be less than half, at least.

so yeah, definitely not worth it in the later stages of the game. but you're right that it might be smoother during the leveing process.

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Black_Gun wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

Just gonna put this out there...

Ive started using a 5s 4l WI for leveling with incinerate > cwc > incinerate > ele focus, with controlled destruction on the separate slot. I would be using it all fully linked but I cant afford to link it.

Using a level 6 cwc puts the triggering time at .42 seconds, my cast speed on the ability at this level is about .5 or so...it feels a lot smoother doing it this way (Im not locked to the second animation for echo, or indeed any animation at all).

well, using a normal setup, this build achieves a cast time of around 0.37s. using incinerate and cwc uses up two jewel sockets. the lowest damage jewel we have in our setup is controlled destruction with a 45% more multiplier. at the bare minimum, this setup would lose a total multiplier of 1.45*1.45 = 2.1. so the damage of the icestorms cast by the incin - cwc setup would be less than half, at least.

so yeah, definitely not worth it in the later stages of the game. but you're right that it might be smoother during the leveing process.

Consider CWC to be equivalent to spell echo (cwc level 20 with no quality has a cast time repetition of 0.35s, as well as a 9% more multiplier, while echo has a 10% less multiplier). You don't run spell echo or faster casting with CWC, because it has no effect on the repeat time of the whispering ice. So, CWC directly trades for spell echo. I assume you don't remove spell echo at any point?

So, the loss (besides the difference from CWC to spell echo which is essentially a wash or favorable to CWC) is the change of a more multiplier (it would actually likely be conc effect since that doesnt affect the incinerate, though that depends how much damage you actually get from the incinerate and how worthwhile it is) vs. casting incinerate, which is itself also supported by the other supports in the setup and all fire spell damage you have from other sources.

If it worked properly with the new beam spell I'd have no doubt it would be better because of the -resist debuff attached... incinerate is not as appealing, which is why I have doubts. That said, the quality of life increase is superb.

So I just want to update my character after exactly 24 hours of playing since the start of the league. This is my current gear



WI=9c, pyre=2c, astramentis=33c, doedre=4c, icetomb+shav's pace=2c

Now saving up for jewels & maybe a new chest. Feeling pretty good so far <3

Check the price on the whispering ice now :D Told you all to wait!

Edit: Astramentis is always worth nabbing in the 20 - 30c range, be careful of people who yolo'd them and corrupted it with an awful mod, I.e. The person selling the cheapest one now.

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Pathological wrote:

Just gonna put this out there...

Consider CWC to be equivalent to spell echo (cwc level 20 with no quality has a cast time repetition of 0.35s, as well as a 9% more multiplier, while echo has a 10% less multiplier). You don't run spell echo or faster casting with CWC, because it has no effect on the repeat time of the whispering ice. So, CWC directly trades for spell echo. I assume you don't remove spell echo at any point?

So, the loss (besides the difference from CWC to spell echo which is essentially a wash or favorable to CWC) is the change of a more multiplier (it would actually likely be conc effect since that doesnt affect the incinerate, though that depends how much damage you actually get from the incinerate and how worthwhile it is) vs. casting incinerate, which is itself also supported by the other supports in the setup and all fire spell damage you have from other sources.

If it worked properly with the new beam spell I'd have no doubt it would be better because of the -resist debuff attached... incinerate is not as appealing, which is why I have doubts. That said, the quality of life increase is superb.

I've been playing CWC and whispering ice when leveling. I went the flame blast rout (forgot about incinerate). Leveling has been excellent and solo made my way to mapping pretty fast on a 4L whispering ice. Clearing is nice, cast time is pretty smooth.

I would like to think about running it with incinerate and see how that plays out instead of flame blast.

How hard is it to cap resists and achieve decent es? I don't think I can buy 150es gloves/boots with double res+int and the boots also with movement speed anytime soon in breach