2.4 and the CoC nerf - what to expect ?
"Yeah lol, i played COC twice, once pre-nerfs when it first released and then again later on when it had a few nerfs back in Warbands. Im honestly baffled as people can sit here and say that you cant play it on a tabula. Do people forget that Tabula was originally the go to item for Cast on Crit because 6L was actually hard to obtain back then ? LOL It was and still is tabula or 5L volls on budgets, i had a nice chuckle reading through this thread. Another big point is 6L has become more available than ever before, you can get a 6L quill for like 6-8 ex, or if you want to go the even cheaper more powerful route, just farm Dapper Prodigy or simply buy a 6L white for 40-60c (yeah thats how cheap 6L bases are right now) The most funny thing is people think COC shouldnt be nerfed because its not as overpowered as the current overpowered builds like VMS and Voltaxic Spark, basically they think their build isnt OP because other OP builds exist. COC has been one of the most problematic gems since its release, GGG clearly acknowledging that with another upcoming nerf. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years. Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on May 14, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
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My bet: cd will go from 20 casts to 10 casts per sec. It seems pretty balanced because when i played it i already reached 20 casts easily. People reaching the max cast even faster will force them to actually think a bit and put the atk speed points/ kind of weapon into some other thing like spell dmg/crit mult. It will be weaker anyway with half the actual cast.
Btw this thread made me remember one post i read once of a guy talking about how easy the game was and did show a video of him killing the vinktar square boss with 6 people in party. HE WAS USING COC and asking to GGG add more difficulty. I died laughing. Maybe that nerf is the kind of difficulty he needed with his loved broken build. Sometimes...
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No what is problematic is people like you trying to give insight into builds saying they need adjustments when you obviously have no idea what your even talking about in the first place. And only looking at what streamers and shit are doing with endless amounts of currency to judge whats what to make judgement calls on what should be adjusted instead of actually making builds yourself to see what it takes.
Theres a BIG difference in being about to run a build on a Tabula and running a GOOD Build Correctly. Just because you can make COC work on a Tabula doesn't mean shit. You are NOT gonna do Uber, Red Maps or any of the difficult content like that and you know it. But yet COC needs a nerf because it can function on a tabula? Makes no sense. I mean you made my point for me when you linked my Discharger which is by far the build i have the most currency invested in EVER in POE! The rest of my builds of which half can do more or better things are majority self found. My Bow build ive had which was the first character i ever made destroys this game WAY more than ANY of the COC builds ive made. COC isnt OP its an interesting mechanic that has added ALOT of build options to the game and destroying it is going to do nothing good for the game. It will only make for less options when making a build. Which is already getting to the point people are all running the same shit now. The game as a whole needs adjustments NOT just COC and NOT just Chaos.. But thats the biggest problem with the game now is theres been so many bandaid fixes for issues via hard nerfs to anything that begins to shine that now its getting to the point they are just plugging new holes that pop up with bubble gum. It already so bad that over half the skill gems in this game are not even worth trying to slot let alone trying to make a build with. and Nerfing other skills that are better isnt gonna all of a sudden make a shitty skill good. And that is not fixing anything and if you really think another nerf to COC is gonna fix the issues with everything right now you are beyond delusional and definitely know little about mechanics in this game. Youll still have Daggers, Crit, Beyond stupid amounts of AOE, Beyond stupid amounts of APS possibilities, Ranged vs Melee disparity still causing the core issues POE has right now. These bandaid fixes like nerf incinerate into the ground for the time being since its too strong or vaal spark or corrupting dark is NOT working. All its doing is making the next build thats worth doing come up to the chopping block. And the cycle goes on and on never ending. They nerf COC this patch guess what... If it still functions at all people will STILL run COC only change will be they destroy all other variants of COC except Discharge... That Voll's ammy will still exist so it doesn't matter what adjustment gets done to the gem.. COC Discharge will still be broken. And a list of build possibilities besides Discharge will be the ONLY thing affected! Doesnt sound like thats gonna help... Does it? Destroy a list of variants to COC to STILL have the problem version of COC Discharge.. Makes sense.. GGG needs to go back to playing and balancing their own game instead of taking so much input in from the community. This community has influenced GGG so much over the years that they are even going against alot of things they originally envisioned and originally said they wanted to do or never wanted to do.. And THAT by far is having the biggest and most negative effect on the game right now. There is a fine line between Consideration and Hesitation.
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" I don't think all this crying will change the fact people love coc because of being lazy and getting rich fast in new leagues because, ehhh, faceroll shit gg - all content boyz, i'm gud. Who defends this not being op is just joking around to me, can't take it seriously, really. Sometimes...
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"The best part about your rage post is people do uber and red maps with Tabula COC barrage, tornado shot. Keep talking though buddy, you just keep proving to me how little you actually know. Edit - Oh i forgot another skill used too for it, Blast Rain. Harvest sucks! But look at my decked out gear two weeks in! Labyrinth salt farm miner. "But my build diversity" , "Game is too hard!" - Meta drone playing the same 1-3 builds for years. Last edited by Tin_Foil_Hat#0111 on May 14, 2016, 1:43:09 PM
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A point people need to realize, is that GGG balances the game around leagues. A lot of arguments used here, are standard related. 80% of all skills may seem OP in standard, due to close to perfect gear, all 20% stones and min-maxed to perfection. And - in a gear-heavy, grinding aRPG like PoE, you SHOULD feel/be pretty OP with (almost) perfect gear - IMHO.
In leagues, it's harder to min max your build. It's harder to craft perfect items. So when we talk about "this and that needs nerfing", we can't take standard into account - hence legacy items, years to perfects build and so on. It just isn't fair. Still, GGG hints at CoC changes, which means they deem it sort of OP. I think it's ok. Why? Because CoC makes a lot of skills gems better than if you build an own build, focusing solely on said skill gems. I just feel that's "wrong". Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile. Last edited by Phrazz#3529 on May 14, 2016, 3:49:16 PM
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I don't understand this thread, where are the sources for this nerf? I haven't seen anything.
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" Just speculation like it's not going to be touched I don't see many CoC threads via here or reddit compared to the kids WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA over chaos shit. It's childs play versus that. Dys an sohm Rohs an kyn Sahl djahs afah Mah morn narr Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on May 14, 2016, 6:31:40 PM
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" It isn't speculation, one of the GGG devs mentioned they were messing around with CoC cooldowns before Ascendancy release but decided to not make any changes at that time. Pretty sure they also said CoC is being looked into, and I am willing to bet if will get changed somehow because of the amount of power it god in ascendancy. You can rage about it if you want, if it happens it happens. No amount of forum outbreak will change anything, if anything we learned that when the stash tab shitstorm happened. [2.2] The Vampire - Tanky 2H Axe Slayer Duelist - /view-thread/1611662 Last edited by Mannoth#4185 on May 15, 2016, 8:22:48 AM
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100% right. The hardest parts of the game is coming up with nothing in the beginning of a character/account. After you become somewhat rich, the game is just easy.
Monsters need more life IMO. Last edited by _StoneWall_#5914 on May 15, 2016, 10:44:29 AM
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