SET FREE THE ASCENDANCY POINTS (or rework the lab) [New ascension methods/lab rework ideas]

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Phrazz wrote:
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Pyrokar wrote:
More like the rite of consolehood.
Can't attract console peasants without some kind of platforming lol


I think the lab would be even more pain with a controller. Let's see how that goes.


I think you would be totally wrong, a controller would provide more precise movement, it's probably going to be even better with one. Or at least the tiny tiny itty bitty party of the game that is actually different from the rest of the game, you know the few times you encounter traps, and actually have to engage with them, less than 5%.
If they release PoE as a console port with the lab/trials/ascendancy gongshow as it is now on this platform, the game will crumble quickly. Console gamers won't hang in there thew way we brainwashed PC guys have.
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Xavathos wrote:
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Phrazz wrote:
It's almost like they knew it would be unpopular as content, and threw in a lot of loot as a carrot.


Why do you people always speak as if it's a fact that it's unpopular content? You don't know that.

Just because you and a few others, heck, even if it's really hundreds of people here, don't like it, that could still easily be less than single digit percentage of the total player base. I'm constantly having to repeat myself here saying that this is not a fact and should not be treated as such. What YOU think about it is well known to all of us and you're absolutely entitled to your opinion.

But seriously stop acting like there's only a handful of people that enjoy this and we're just being cruel to everyone trying to keep Lab in the game. That's not the case until some kind of evidence or data pops up that proves otherwise.

Another thing, if GGG knew ahead of time, which is ridiculous assumption but I'll humour you for a minute, if GGG knew ahead of time that this content would be so bad practically nobody would enjoy it, why would they ever have released it in the first place? It makes no sense at all to do that to your own game that you've spent best part of the last decade developing.


I think you give GGG more omnipotent power than they have. There is a large amount of momentum in an engineering organization to get the product out that is under development. Stopping that momentum by delaying/pulling a release is a rare unusual thing.

What is the percentage of the player base that posts in the forums? I'd guess less than 1%, let's say 0.5%. you can take 904/0.5% = 180,800 players as a minimum that shares the view of the people on the list. Over 330 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 900 posters in support Or say 2% of the player base posts on the forum then 904/2% = 45,200. So the result varies wildly based on percentage posting in the forums but I'd guess that GGG has a much better idea of that percentage.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Phrazz wrote:
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raics wrote:

Well that's the thing, XP loss or death in lab set you back a bit, HC death sets you back fully.


Not what I was referring to.

When softcore players play softcore for a reason - that reason often being "less hardcore elements", why do GGG feel they have to "stretch" this buy "offering softcore players some hardcore elements"? And not just "offering" it, but forcing it - if you want to ascend, something the game is balanced around.



Based only on the data that Chris said the engineers were new hires that implemented labyrinth, my speculation is that Chris was trying to be supportive of them when he made that statement.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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raics wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:
Ok so this streamer, PT and raiz (saw in another thread) don't enjoy lab. Is there any streamer that does?


I think the main complaint PT had with the lab was that daily leaderboards were hidden so a player wouldn't even know he can race for goodies. The reason he quit was about the general development, like the skill and boss design I mentioned.


Though it wasn't why he quit, PT also wanted a different way to get ascendancy points (see here after 1:11:11).

Is ZiggyD is the only streamer not to say negative things about the lab (knowing what side his bread is buttered on ;)?
Proud member of the Vocal Minority
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ShaUrley wrote:
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raics wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:
Ok so this streamer, PT and raiz (saw in another thread) don't enjoy lab. Is there any streamer that does?


I think the main complaint PT had with the lab was that daily leaderboards were hidden so a player wouldn't even know he can race for goodies. The reason he quit was about the general development, like the skill and boss design I mentioned.


Though it wasn't why he quit, PT also wanted a different way to get ascendancy points (see here after 1:11:11).

Is ZiggyD is the only streamer not to say negative things about the lab (knowing what side his bread is buttered on ;)?


ZiggyD said that the labyrinth tires him out.
Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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Turtledove wrote:

ZiggyD said that the labyrinth tires him out.


Do you have a link to where he said that?


Also it honestly doesn't matter what any streamer says, they are no different then you or me in terms of importance to GGG.
https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285

FeelsBadMan

Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.
So i've brought this up a lot but your 904 number is meaningless for anything but itself, simply because it conflates a lot of complaints, such as "the lab could be better" "the lab has a problem but is mostly fine" and "I hate the lab and it should be gutted in every way possible" the first two shouldn't be counted for your statistics and are much more prevalent than the last one on your list.

Now let's talk about being baysean, which you need to do, because being purely frequentist (like you are) is wrong 100% dead wrong, because we know things about the world already and it would be silly to forget them. We know that people are much more likely to give negative unsolicited feedback, we know that people are much more likely to bandwagon onto negative things, and we know so much more.

So if you want to try and draw any conclusion from your list other than this is a list and we know exactly what the list says and nothing more, you need to do much more work.
Last edited by j33bus#3399 on Jun 27, 2017, 3:12:30 PM
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goetzjam wrote:
Also it honestly doesn't matter what any streamer says, they are no different then you or me in terms of importance to GGG.


Of course it doesn't matter, he's only one guy.

But I'm no Sexcalibure, I'm not going to make stupid polls with the forum as statistic sample. What I can speak from, is my experience. And while I have experience from several guilds with hundreds of members where the lab was "vastly disliked", I STILL know that my dislike from the lab might make my impression biased. Not only that, but people liking it tend to make a little less "noise".

That's why I will never TRY to use the word "majority". But the lab is "vastly disliked", even though it might not be a big percentage. We ARE talking about a BIG number of players.
Bring me some coffee and I'll bring you a smile.
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Phrazz wrote:
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goetzjam wrote:
Also it honestly doesn't matter what any streamer says, they are no different then you or me in terms of importance to GGG.


Of course it doesn't matter, he's only one guy.

But I'm no Sexcalibure, I'm not going to make stupid polls with the forum as statistic sample. What I can speak from, is my experience. And while I have experience from several guilds with hundreds of members where the lab was "vastly disliked", I STILL know that my dislike from the lab might make my impression biased. Not only that, but people liking it tend to make a little less "noise".

That's why I will never TRY to use the word "majority". But the lab is "vastly disliked", even though it might not be a big percentage. We ARE talking about a BIG number of players.


Ok though honest question, do you dislike the lab for itself, or do you dislike it because it's not mapping? Honestly I dislike the first 3 labs, because it's part of the boring not mapping experience that I have to do every character, but it's not the labs fault, it's the fault of the leveling experience.

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