Please explain what we are winning by buying premium stash tabs?

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HeWhoAnswersTheCall wrote:

Technical issue. Premium tabs are enabled for player manipulation. Standard tabs are not. It's a basic distinction.

I'd like a source on the technical issue part. I'd be completely fine with it if GGG said that they couldn't make normal tabs public for whatever reason, but were planning to do so later. As it is now, however, I don't see a reason why they couldn't add a toggle-able flag to the tab to make it public (just as they do with remove-only tabs, just player-changeable).

Unless GGG did some really wacky programming when they made premium tabs capable of being public, it should be a trivial matter to enable the same functionality in normal tabs.

Now, the ethics of offering a sale for premium tabs and then giving the same function to regular tabs are questionable at best, but that's another discussion for another day.

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andrey_petrov wrote:

Only premium tabs can be renamed. GGG idea is to use name for setting prices. So you can put something like b/o 10 chaos and all items on tab gonna be listed on poe.trade at 10 chaos b/o.

It's not so, there are separate combos and edits for setting the price. The normal stash tabs would just not be so apparent for the user (us) to distinguish. You would have to remember that under number 1 you have 1C sales, etc... That would be little inconvenient, but well you can pay for premium if you are unsatisfied with that then. :-)

You aren't winning anything you did before since you can still use all of the old shit like before to have a store.

If it's convenience then stash stabs always won you convenience, the update didn't change anything.

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andrey_petrov wrote:

Only premium tabs can be renamed. GGG idea is to use name for setting prices. So you can put something like b/o 10 chaos and all items on tab gonna be listed on poe.trade at 10 chaos b/o.

Right, but the other component you neglected to mention is that you can set individual prices on items within the tab. The general idea behind enabling public normal tabs is that you wouldn't be able to set a price on the whole tab, only the individual items in the tab one at a time.

The actual public attribute on the tabs is just a check box- easily reproduced on normal tabs.

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Please explain what we are winning by buying premium stash tabs?

more stasth tabs make it easier to make shop
it make easier to get currency
it make easier to buy better gear
it make easier to do high level content (win game)

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RagnarokChu wrote:

You aren't winning anything you did before since you can still use all of the old shit like before to have a store.

If it's convenience then stash stabs always won you convenience, the update didn't change anything.

i completely agree and the really funny thing is ppl are paranoid all to hell because of something that hasnt happened yet.

Fair call, Mas. I assumed that based on a need to believe it's not a purely financial decision.

I'd ask Chris but you might have noticed they're kind of busy right now. And as much as I heart Bex, she'd just have to bug a dev and well, see the first point.

I'm sure you don't need a source as to why all the devs are extremely busy right now. Which is partly why I think it might be wise to regain a little perspective here. Every person demanding GGG do something about this is essentially asking the devs to drop what they're doing. And what are they doing? The same thing they do every night before a big update. Stressing like crazy and burning all the midnight oil.

I'm not saying you don't have a point. I'm just urging a little understanding that I doubt GGG would have announced this so close to a major update if they planned to change their minds regardless of backlash. If anything I'd so they factored the backlash in before you even made it.

They'd be horribly out of touch and incompetent if they genuinely didn't anticipate these reactions.

Extra stash tab are far more P2W than the current Premium Stash upgrade. Nobody complains about that too much because it has been so since the beginning. Changing colors and name affects thing only on the client. Extra stash tab and new Premium upgrades modify the behaviour of the character on the server.

However I endorse GGG decision since it is the only way to introduce and gradually test a new trade system without abuses (bots).

For those who telling this is P2W. Did you ever play P2W game? I did. Perfect world. That was pure P2W game. This? is just joke not P2W. I never trade anything in Poe. Only in chat window. I don't know what indexer is and how it work. I will not using this new feature because I don't know how and also I'm not trading man. Conclusion? This is NOT P2W game by far.

To be clear, I also believe this is going to bring owners of premium stash tab quite big advantage.
I have lot of premium stash tabs myself, but I'm still saying that it's unfair.

While the normal stash tabs could be coded to be made public in same way as premium ones. It should not be that big technical issue. Maybe I'm wrong on the technical side of things, but hopefully not. At least I'm proposing some solution which looks easy to code and would solve this ethical dilemma.

(Like not just whining, but also proposing solutions :-) )