My review after year break and why I will be leaving again.

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Wispo wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Wispo wrote:

Seeing people that defends insta kill mechanics, makes clear how disgustingly LOW it's the experience level of certain players of PoE. Only a NOOB that doesn't understand A "BIRD" of video games can defend such mechanics

There are no instakill mechanics. Just people who make timed kill mechanics instakill because they don't adjust their playstyle. Keep moving away from corpses and bearers will never get you. The corpses don't follow you. If you can't react because you didnt look at the mods or can't see the explosion radius getting brighter before it explodes, then move away from every corpse. If you are already a distance, don't move towards the corpse right away.

Instakill it's even a rare "powerful crit" Retch that you don't see, and that shoots its far shot powered barf from offscreen. This game is shit

Then go play something else and stop wasting your, and our, time here.

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Archwizard wrote:

Then go play something else and stop wasting your, and our, time here.

It's not a f4nboy that can tell ME what to do KID ;) Go to your place ;)
I WILL STAY HERE ;)

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Sa_Re wrote:

re: "Noone forces you to play the meta"

Well the game does. For example try getting past cruel arena without a huge aoe skill that kills everything quickly (In a fresh HC league).

not sure what meta has to do with a particular area in a particular encounter in the main progression.
some areas are gear/dps checks more so than others, sure.

you dont need a 'huge' aoe to clear cruel daressos path without dying. any kind of aoe does the trick. Ive cleared arena with things like unsupported magma orb, frostblades, ek, fp, etc etc

pretty much any skill nowadays already constitutes some AoE in it, or requires just one support.

not sure what this has anything to do with bearers and being aware. even if aoe is huge and hitting the whole screen, a huge aoe doesnt prevent you from checking mods on mobs. there is no logical chain between 'big aoe' and 'not playing careful' in any sense.

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kcstar wrote:

... the meta isn't a build ... it's what GGG offers us to play with x.X

'meta' is neither. meta is people who care about efficiency min/maxing figuring out the most efficient ways to do things, and then thousands of others following for whatever reasons (seriously pushing the ladder, insecure about their e-peen, wanting to play op shit, etc)

there's power creep, sure with all new tools that come out every few months. the only things that GGG has put out that explicitly encourage running like headless chickens are 1)rampage (garbage league/effect imo) and 2)ascendancy conditional passives (kill in last x seconds), which do bother me.

note that the former is gone from the core game and the latter is not yet implemented. GGG gives you a toolset in where the way you play is your own, unless youre pushing the ladder (where efficiency = everything)

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Wispo wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Wispo wrote:

Seeing people that defends insta kill mechanics, makes clear how disgustingly LOW it's the experience level of certain players of PoE. Only a NOOB that doesn't understand A "BIRD" of video games can defend such mechanics

There are no instakill mechanics. Just people who make timed kill mechanics instakill because they don't adjust their playstyle. Keep moving away from corpses and bearers will never get you. The corpses don't follow you. If you can't react because you didnt look at the mods or can't see the explosion radius getting brighter before it explodes, then move away from every corpse. If you are already a distance, don't move towards the corpse right away.

Instakill it's even a rare "powerful crit" Retch that you don't see, and that shoots its far shot powered barf from offscreen. This game is shit

Guess I'm just lucky that I move before it hits me or I have enough effective hitpoints it doesn't kill me. I don't think I've been killed by something offscreen in at least a couple years. Are you sure "game is shit" or maybe it's "build/playstyle is shit"?

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mark1030 wrote:

Guess I'm just lucky that I move before it hits me or I have enough effective hitpoints it doesn't kill me. I don't think I've been killed by something offscreen in at least a couple years. Are you sure "game is shit" or maybe it's "build/playstyle is shit"?

Died with 5.4k hp. So you are not lucky, nor my build/playstye is shit, my "dear" GGG lawyer ;) And, that like this or not, game is shit. The more you will try to defend this shit of a game, the more i will bring you examples of one shots. I say that this "game" with me is not convenient for a lawyer like you, so is up to you to decide if continue or not, if you want "save the reputation" to this game :P

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Wispo wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

Guess I'm just lucky that I move before it hits me or I have enough effective hitpoints it doesn't kill me. I don't think I've been killed by something offscreen in at least a couple years. Are you sure "game is shit" or maybe it's "build/playstyle is shit"?

Died with 5.4k hp. So you are not lucky, nor my build/playstye is shit, my "dear" GGG lawyer ;) And, that like this or not, game is shit. The more you will try to defend this shit of a game, the more i will bring you examples of one shots. I say that this "game" with me is not convenient for a lawyer like you, so is up to you to decide if continue or not, if you want "save the reputation" to this game :P

How can you say I'm not lucky? Either I'm lucky or I'm good. If this shit mechanic is unavoidable, those are the only two choices.

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grepman wrote:

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kcstar wrote:

... the meta isn't a build ... it's what GGG offers us to play with x.X

'meta' is neither. meta is people who care about efficiency min/maxing figuring out the most efficient ways to do things, and then thousands of others following for whatever reasons (seriously pushing the ladder, insecure about their e-peen, wanting to play op shit, etc)

there's power creep, sure with all new tools that come out every few months. the only things that GGG has put out that explicitly encourage running like headless chickens are 1)rampage (garbage league/effect imo) and 2)ascendancy conditional passives (kill in last x seconds), which do bother me.

note that the former is gone from the core game and the latter is not yet implemented. GGG gives you a toolset in where the way you play is your own, unless youre pushing the ladder (where efficiency = everything)

the efficiency itself is the meta, not the people who figures out the best way :X
... and what is efficient is set in stone by GGG, and changes with every balance change.

And afaik the most efficient way in a game without any difficulty left is... speed.
So we are cruisin thru the maps (tier? wayne!), the more dmg we have the better, mobs die before you even see them... and one in a million times you have missed that a partymember a screen away has killed a pack of bearers without noticing it and you follow him along... boom :>

Sure, I can try to find 5 other people playing piss slow checking all mobs and finally find a pack of bearers in map 9 or 10 which makes the whole playing piss slow worth it. Or do it like most people do nowadays... play solo :> Because why not? Talisman league punished you already for playing in a group... now you have to share the already not existing talisman with 5 other dudes :>

Sorry, I prefer a game which isn't a snooze fest most of the time with occasional spikes.

Peace,

-kcstar-


PS: w/e... this thread goes in circles. I am out unless someone brings something new to the discussion.

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kcstar wrote:

the efficency itself is the meta, not the people who figures out the best way :X
... and what is efficent is set in stone by GGG, and changes with every balance change.

sure, but you're acting like you HAVE to play the most efficient thing. you do not. your whole point is how youre following the party of someone who plays the most efficient things. so, in this case you follow the other people in your party to match their efficiency...I see a clear problem here, and its not from GGGs side...GGG gave you plenty of ways to play differently, you just chose the one that 'everyone is doing' simply because its the most efficient one. just because everyone is using a ferrari to get from point A to point B the fastest, doesnt mean you cant use a corolla and get there half a minute later...

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Sorry, I prefer a game which isn't a snooze fest most of the time with occasional spikes.

well, most arpgs are even worse than poe in this regard. they have hard breakpoints after which youre an unkillable God. which then renders all the game after that point kinda moot if you play HC. GGG wants people to die due to mechanics, not to perfect an 100% immortal build.

That or the other option is to overtune all mob damage badly (ie D3 inferno) so then instead of an occasional spiky damage theres constant spiky damage everywhere, which is also fun, but my guess is a lot of people will riot over that.

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grepman wrote:

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kcstar wrote:

the efficency itself is the meta, not the people who figures out the best way :X
... and what is efficent is set in stone by GGG, and changes with every balance change.

sure, but you're acting like you HAVE to play the most efficient thing. you do not. your whole point is how youre following the party of someone who plays the most efficient things. so, in this case you follow the other people in your party to match their efficiency...I see a clear problem here, and its not from GGGs side...GGG gave you plenty of ways to play differently, you just chose the one that 'everyone is doing' simply because its the most efficient one. just because everyone is using a ferrari to get from point A to point B the fastest, doesnt mean you cant use a corolla and get there half a minute later...

have you ever seen baker's first uber attempt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhuAhgE4ihQ
^ this is how it should look like IMO, no matter what zone you are in. you fear the mobs you are facing, you care about the other dude(s) in your party, because you play with them together. Even in a public party this should be 'normal' for everybody... everybody should know 'running around solo like a chicken gets you killed'.
But in reality you don't see such gameplay. Why? Because it's not needed.
Of course I am heavyly influeced by this shit meta as someone playing a support character in the past. while finding a new spot for me, seeing that even without respecing out of my support build I have enough deeps to insta everything in red maps x.X
I was the dude driving around in a corolla while giving all other corolla drivers extra ferrari power. Now everyone is driving around with a ferrari and even my corolla has a rocket enigine. Partyplay is a clusterfuck, everybody has deeps for 6 ^^

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grepman wrote:

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Sorry, I prefer a game which isn't a snooze fest most of the time with occasional spikes.

well, most arpgs are even worse than poe in this regard. they have hard breakpoints after which youre an unkillable God. which then renders all the game after that point kinda moot if you play HC. GGG wants people to die due to mechanics, not to perfect an 100% immortal build.

That or the other option is to overtune all mob damage badly (ie D3 inferno) so then instead of an occasional spiky damage theres constant spiky damage everywhere, which is also fun, but my guess is a lot of people will riot over that.

There is always someone bitching. We have plenty of mediocre games out there and I don't want PoE to be one of them but from early versions to now... we were never closer to that point.

Peace,

-kcstar-

PS: Darn, your hook got me, didn't I say earlier I don't want to go on in circles? xD