Game needs Eternals back (and here's why) |Petition|

Bring Eternals back!

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Fhark wrote:

Goetzjam wrote

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Or they do nothing because ultimately it doesn't matter for temp league players, where they indicate the game should be played. If you want to have an extremely powerful long term character, you should have that chance, nothing wrong with both mirrors and eternals co-existing.

Good point.

Except it leads to the death of crafting, the crafting deadzone between middle power rares to mirrorlevel, and everything becomes hauling. It also causes the monopoly situation of those who got the first mirror items.

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I_NO wrote:

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grepman wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

Eternals were fine addition to the game which I simply don't understand why it was removed. I can understand from standard but in TEMP leagues? I find that a mistake personally.

I'll give you a mirror if you can construct a list of 5 things GGG took away from players, that you did not consider a 'mistake'

You want me to make a list that wasn't a mistake?

I thought I phrased it clearly- 5 things GGG took away/'nerfed' that were warranted, according to you

^Lel, that's gold.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Crackmonster wrote:

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Fhark wrote:

Goetzjam wrote

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Or they do nothing because ultimately it doesn't matter for temp league players, where they indicate the game should be played. If you want to have an extremely powerful long term character, you should have that chance, nothing wrong with both mirrors and eternals co-existing.

Good point.

Except it leads to the death of crafting, the crafting deadzone between middle power rares to mirrorlevel, and everything becomes hauling. It also causes the monopoly situation of those who got the first mirror items.

Except now crafting is stale, contrary to whatever you believe people did use eternals for crafting items, especially in the temp leagues that weren't meant to be mirrorable but rather just decent weapons or items. But now your limited by what the system tells you you can do, its linear there isn't an option to save your progress or if there is its within a very limited scope.

Now we might see some more yolo exalting now, but not nearly enough to makeup for the shitty difference of not being able to make good weapons, if anything the current system promotes a very stale way to craft weapons, which honestly hurts crit builds the most, but its ok because people think its fine.


@TheAnuhart

If you can't offer anything constructive to the discussion why the fuck are you replying at all?

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It's actually easier for those builds, not harder. You just need to keep your eye out for rare drops which have any of the following qualities:

Right so you have to craft an item in a linear fashion and get an item to drop in a specific way, thats just boring and stupid IMO. Crafting with eternals opened up options for more ways to craft depending on your budget and no people didn't just use them to craft mirror level items, especially in temp leagues.

We all very well know your stance on this debate its pointless to discuss with someone that is so far against something they can't possibly see the positives.

In addition adding eternals back helps balance the cost of exalts and better balances the master crafting cost, considering the current meta mods behave like eternals, why don't they cost them instead.

Also quick question, do you play the temp leagues?

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goetzjam wrote:

Also quick question, do you play the temp leagues?

I'm pretty, pretty sure he doesn't

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goetzjam wrote:

Except now crafting is stale, contrary to whatever you believe people did use eternals for crafting items, especially in the temp leagues that weren't meant to be mirrorable but rather just decent weapons or items.

Well if you had followed the thread you'd see i agree with you, and have argued several times that without eternals it is practically impossible to hit the highest gear levels in the game.

That's why i want eternals back and mirrors out! :D

Ideally, i want increased drops on eternals and exalted so that we will see a much wider spread on item "levels", and many more unique items items in the literal sense where you won't see the next man hauling everything then buying the same weapon you have with the exact same name and stats, legally duped.

Actually tell me, what good do mirrors really do? How large a fraction of players do you think has a positive outcome because of them? Remember its possible to increase exalted/eternal drop rates until average gear levels are as desired, it won't automatically mean its impossible to get godly items all over.

How large a fraction of the population do you think are negatively affected by mirrors? In ways such as increased focus on hauling, no point crafting anything themselves just feed it to the top percentages of players, lack of higher rares crafted because there is no point for those on top, etc.

You like mirrors and think they make sense then?

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Crackmonster wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

Except now crafting is stale, contrary to whatever you believe people did use eternals for crafting items, especially in the temp leagues that weren't meant to be mirrorable but rather just decent weapons or items.

Well if you had followed the thread you'd see i agree with you, and have argued several times that without eternals it is practically impossible to hit the highest gear levels in the game.

That's why i want eternals back and mirrors out! :D

Ideally, i want increased drops on eternals and exalted so that we will see a much wider spread on item "levels", and many more unique items items in the literal sense where you won't see the next man hauling everything then buying the same weapon you have with the exact same name and stats, legally duped.

Actually tell me, what good do mirrors really do? How large a fraction of players do you think has a positive outcome because of them? Remember its possible to increase exalted/eternal drop rates until average gear levels are as desired, it won't automatically mean its impossible to get godly items all over.

How large a fraction of the population do you think are negatively affected by mirrors? In ways such as increased focus on hauling, no point crafting anything themselves just feed it to the top percentages of players, lack of higher rares crafted because there is no point for those on top, etc.

You like mirrors and think they make sense then?

What good do mirrors do, it gives you that chance at any point during our gameplay to hit the lottery, its an iconic symbol of the game, its literally on almost all art to due with the game.

In terms of what does it do in game, it allows for you to reach a point in perm leagues where you can be insanely geared. In temp leagues, in conjuction with eternals allows for people to have great endgame weapons.

Mirrors also help ensure that rares remain the peak of the game, with the exception of rare chest, which mirrors do very little for IMO (some niche es builds ect) otherwise you almost always use a unique chest.

How large of a playerbase is affected negatively by mirrors in temp leagues pretty much no one, in perm leagues only those that wish to ever compete with the big dogs that already have multiple pieces crafted. Other then that mirrors do far more good then they ever have done harm. If someone doesn't want to make something themselves thats on them, you not having the original is a huge downside, even if you think the cost isn't worth it, what happens when GGG makes large changes and does things like remove reduced mana from auras, but essentially changes it to a blue gem, you have a copied item you can't modify. 1 handed weapons are pretty much set, but 2 handed weapons your limited to very specific support gems.

But again that only negatively affects standard, which the game shouldn't be balanced for and people shouldn't really give 2 shits about. Someone else was first to corner the market at this point its just standard players bringing down the health of the game because they are jealous they don't have what others do.

Do I like them because what they have turned standard into, not really do I like them and how they behave in temp leagues and how players at any point can find one and hit the jackpot, absolutely. At this point there are very few items you can find that have a large "yes" feeling when you loot something, removing the only one remaining would be a huge mistake, not to mention they would never do it. They would rather eternals never come back and leave the game stale as shit then remove the symbol of the game.

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grant_m wrote:

Mirrors are RMT bait. Nothing more.

I should be used to this kind of stuff on the forums by now, but it's pretty crass of you to accuse every Mirror-service provider of RMT.