Donald Trump

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LostForm wrote:
http://fortune.com/2016/11/20/steve-bannon-interview-darkness/

modeling the administration after dick cheney, darth vader, and satan. Good choice idiots.


"In his first interview outside of the conservative website Breitbart News since the election, Steve Bannon said that he thinks “darkness is good.”

So, are you suggesting that the scientific approach is bad? After all, the overwhelming majority of the matter in the universe is dark matter, and dark energy is even more predominant. So, if you think the universe is bad, and that mankind should be opposing the universe...

What Bannon is alluding to is that Darth Vader became a good guy in the end (It was Vader who literally brought DOWN the emperor and the Sith.)

Satan - aka Lucifer, the bringer of light, started out as a good guy, then he joined the DNC and started fighting against the forces of light.

Cheney is just an acknowledgement of power. What Bannon is really saying is that the leftists are so out of touch with reality that it makes them look silly to the American people.


"This is partly why he regards the liberal characterization of himself as socially vile, as the politically incorrect devil incarnate, as laughable — and why he is stoutly unapologetic. They — liberals and media — don't understand what he is saying, or why, or to whom. "

"That's what the Democrats missed. They were talking to these people with companies with a $9 billion market cap employing nine people. It's not reality. They lost sight of what the world is about.""

"What he seems to have carried from a boyhood in a blue-collar, union and Democratic family in Norfolk, Va., and through his tour of the American establishment, is an unreconstructed sense of class awareness, or bitterness — or betrayal. The Democratic Party betrayed its working-man roots, just as Hillary Clinton betrayed the longtime Clinton connection — Bill Clinton's connection — to the working man. "



Here's a link to the actual article by the Hollywood Reporter that conducted the interview, so people can read it and judge for themselves:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747
"The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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Snorkle_uk wrote:


You dont need to believe in a space alien that created the universe and sent his water walking zombie son to give us a code for eternity in order to have morals or even a shared moral code and direction for society.


You don't need a constitution to have laws either, but it sure as hell helps.
"The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
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DalaiLama wrote:
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
You dont need to believe in a space alien that created the universe and sent his water walking zombie son to give us a code for eternity in order to have morals or even a shared moral code and direction for society.
You don't need a constitution to have laws either, but it sure as hell helps.
Meh.

Let's say A and C are true, B and D are false. You have 4 people:
1. "A, therefore C."
2. "A, therefore D."
3. "B, therefore C."
4. "B, therefore D."

Clearly, the first person is best and the last person worst. But between the third is better than the second. Whether you do the right thing for the right reasons or silly ones, you're doing the right thing.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
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DalaiLama wrote:
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
You dont need to believe in a space alien that created the universe and sent his water walking zombie son to give us a code for eternity in order to have morals or even a shared moral code and direction for society.
You don't need a constitution to have laws either, but it sure as hell helps.
Meh.

Let's say A and C are true, B and D are false. You have 4 people:
1. "A, therefore C."
2. "A, therefore D."
3. "B, therefore C."
4. "B, therefore D."

Clearly, the first person is best and the last person worst. But between the third is better than the second. Whether you do the right thing for the right reasons or silly ones, you're doing the right thing.


What I'm saying is that for many, if not most, situations, you can codify the results or create a formula for finding them, rather than navigating through the maze every single time. Agreeing to the use similar formulas and a standard order of operating procedures is the part that is strengthened.
"The only legitimate use of a computer is to play games." - Eugene Jarvis
PoE Origins - Piety's story http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2081910
Ok man, back to 2001 all over again I guess, 1 lost decade isn't enough I guess, Japan had already done that after all, so we couldn't even call it such a catchy name, guess the next stop is 'defunct quarter century', possibly 'the crushing of generation x'.


The man is a patent/copy right troll, a dweller of the machine. Will be curious to see the machinations to intellectual property laws. He feeds on people because they are not lawyers and bankers, for not specializing in money and legal minutia, feeds in the gray space of outdated laws and new technology meeting.
Hey...is this thing on?
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DalaiLama wrote:
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Snorkle_uk wrote:


You dont need to believe in a space alien that created the universe and sent his water walking zombie son to give us a code for eternity in order to have morals or even a shared moral code and direction for society.


You don't need a constitution to have laws either, but it sure as hell helps.


Or hinder. You are ignoring that religion can have bad moral codes, or good people took great effort or pay a heavy price trying to get rid of these bad moral codes.
Last edited by deathflower#0444 on Nov 22, 2016, 2:33:15 AM
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deathflower wrote:
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DalaiLama wrote:
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
You dont need to believe in a space alien that created the universe and sent his water walking zombie son to give us a code for eternity in order to have morals or even a shared moral code and direction for society.
You don't need a constitution to have laws either, but it sure as hell helps.
Or hinder. You are ignoring that religion can have bad moral codes, or good people took great effort or pay a heavy price trying to get rid of these bad moral codes.
Considering religion in the abstract, sure. But the US was founded by Christians who wove some but not all of their Christian values into its framework, and the result of that experiment was massively successful. You might consider this to be random luck, but Protestantism was a major factor, which was itself an earlier European social movement... so really, it's a mix of earlier rational thought AND religious faith, put into a blender and pureed until it cannot be fully separated out.

Different religions operate differently, because they're different sets of belief. It's silly to pretend that Islam is as compatible with Americanism as Christianity is (especially Protestantism). This doesn't mean moderate Muslims don't do well in the US - they were, if not the majority, a substantial minority of my classmates growing up - but Islam has several facets which require more moderation, relative to Christianity, in order to achieve that fit. To put it another way, Americanized Muslims are further from the worldwide Islamic mean; they're more deviant, relative to mainstream Islam.

I believe I already mentioned my concept of extralegal fundamentalism - that is, placing tenets of religion above the nation's rule of law when conflicts exist. As long as there isn't extralegal fundamentalism, everything is cool... but it should be obvious that the amount of potential conflict depends on the tenets of the religion itself, and the further the hardcore fundamentalist is from Americanism ideologically, the greater the potential chasm.

All of this boils down to a core truth: when someone identifies as a believer in an ideology, religious or not, they can believe in it fervently, barely believe in it at all, or anything in between. We don't live in some kind of Ayn Rand wet dream where logical contradictions within our own head are automatically stricken down; instead, within our belief systems are various prioritizations, and corrections to the thinking of higher priories can challenge conclusions of lower priorities. (My definition of extralegal fundamentalism is a priority-driven one, comparing the prioritizations of two potentially competing ideologies.) I can have a reasonable discussion with someone who identifies as socialist, but this requires that I'm able to latch onto another concept (ex: truth, justice) that they place above the socialism I disagree with; if they hold socialism as their highest priority, I have no route to challenge their beliefs. (Regarding my earlier example of four people: with the second person debate is necessary, and I have a means to persuade them; with the third person, I have no means to correct them, but no immediate desire to do so; the fourth does what I believe is wrong and I cannot persuade them otherwise, so the options are fight or flight.)
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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Judaism, Christanity and Islam are basically the same religion. Christianity is the first expansion and Islame the second :P
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/417287 - Poutsos Flicker Nuke Shadow
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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Considering religion in the abstract, sure. But the US was founded by Christians who wove some but not all of their Christian values into its framework, and the result of that experiment was massively successful. You might consider this to be random luck, but Protestantism was a major factor, which was itself an earlier European social movement... so really, it's a mix of earlier rational thought AND religious faith, put into a blender and pureed until it cannot be fully separated out.

Different religions operate differently, because they're different sets of belief. It's silly to pretend that Islam is as compatible with Americanism as Christianity is (especially Protestantism). This doesn't mean moderate Muslims don't do well in the US - they were, if not the majority, a substantial minority of my classmates growing up - but Islam has several facets which require more moderation, relative to Christianity, in order to achieve that fit. To put it another way, Americanized Muslims are further from the worldwide Islamic mean; they're more deviant, relative to mainstream Islam.

I believe I already mentioned my concept of extralegal fundamentalism - that is, placing tenets of religion above the nation's rule of law when conflicts exist. As long as there isn't extralegal fundamentalism, everything is cool... but it should be obvious that the amount of potential conflict depends on the tenets of the religion itself, and the further the hardcore fundamentalist is from Americanism ideologically, the greater the potential chasm.

All of this boils down to a core truth: when someone identifies as a believer in an ideology, religious or not, they can believe in it fervently, barely believe in it at all, or anything in between. We don't live in some kind of Ayn Rand wet dream where logical contradictions within our own head are automatically stricken down; instead, within our belief systems are various prioritizations, and corrections to the thinking of higher priories can challenge conclusions of lower priorities. (My definition of extralegal fundamentalism is a priority-driven one, comparing the prioritizations of two potentially competing ideologies.) I can have a reasonable discussion with someone who identifies as socialist, but this requires that I'm able to latch onto another concept (ex: truth, justice) that they place above the socialism I disagree with; if they hold socialism as their highest priority, I have no route to challenge their beliefs. (Regarding my earlier example of four people: with the second person debate is necessary, and I have a means to persuade them; with the third person, I have no means to correct them, but no immediate desire to do so; the fourth does what I believe is wrong and I cannot persuade them otherwise, so the options are fight or flight.)


Religion and culture are very much intertwined, just the same as often nationality and culture are. It seems to me often ppl whom speak of religion often dont recognize this and incorrectly generalize one as being the other.
Thoughts of ideals and 'how to behave' (culture) are very much like a disease, subliminally transferred to others in the vicinity (or through communication) with enough contact. If you abstract culture and find its lowest common denominators, you essentially are left with that cultures 'moral values'. But whos to say which values are better or worse? Ultimately morality is just a useful fictional construct that has evolved with man as it is advantageous to cooperate (the essence from which morality is based upon).
I assert my philosophy of 'maximizing the sum future freedom of action for all entities capable of mutual cooperation' knowing full well it is fictional and makes the assumption that empowering individuals is 'good'. I believe the propagation of the truth and the suppression of lies, ambiguity, and unfair bias will contribute towards enabling additional freedom of action.
What do you believe in?
For years i searched for deep truths. A thousand revelations. At the very edge...the ability to think itself dissolves away.Thinking in human language is the problem. Any separation from 'the whole truth' is incomplete.My incomplete concepts may add to your 'whole truth', accept it or think about it
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