Donald Trump

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Here is a perfect example of the "American left".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzvepEzp9Vk

Basically this guy has no clue about the electoral college. FYI, that's middle school civics. He thinks Black people's votes are still worth 1/3rd of a vote because his candidate lost the election and won the popular vote. And thinks that Hillary should sue the US on the grounds that 1 vote isn't 1 vote? Really? Wow...... This dude is a complete idiot. And I find his tears to be delicious.

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innervation wrote:

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Here is a perfect example of the "American left".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzvepEzp9Vk

Basically this guy has no clue about the electoral college. FYI, that's middle school civics. He thinks Black people's votes are still worth 1/3rd of a vote because his candidate lost the election and won the popular vote. And thinks that Hillary should sue the US on the grounds that 1 vote isn't 1 vote? Really? Wow...... This dude is a complete idiot. And I find his tears to be delicious.

Here's a shorter version of the video that catches an extra 10 seconds after the one you linked. It seems like the guy either works for, or used to work for CNN. Unlikely to be a coincidence - I would normally give a network the benefit of the doubt, but CNN has violated journalistic ethics so many times this year (not even counting wikileaks) that they have lost that benefit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSfS2u-SmoI

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DalaiLama wrote:

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I also respect what you are saying but I disagree with it all obviously. I think you are projecting our current model onto a situation where there would be no need for a lot of the systems that bring out the things youre talking about. You wouldnt need a man like trump in charge, there would be no need for people like trump to exist and no system to let them get anywhere given the right model.

I didnt say take control of our evolution, that is a lose term and mostly associated with natural process. We need to take control of what we are doing, we have limited natural resources, we are using them faster than they are being replaced. Either we find a new model eventually or we die, capitalism cannot continue, but as long as we have nations that need to compete with each other then we cant move out of capitalism.

We have amazing potential as creatures, we can do whatever we want. We dont need to spend all our time thinking up consumer products and ways to deceive each other into buying them. We could put our efforts into actual sustainable, forward thinking invention, into making our world a better place not a more polluted, confused, depressed place. The fact that most people cannot even envisage a future beyond the nightmare of what we are doing to this planet and ourselves just goes to show how hopeless our current model has left us imo.

If we have over population, which we already have, you dont need to wipe people out with plagues if you control the whole world. Theres no need to lie and decieve or be cruel, you just explain the reality and incentive a reduction in child birth. The idea of deceiving people and mass killing is an affectation of our current model where we are not ruled by common sense, have no ability to go against the growth model unless every other country does the same thing, need to lie to each other on that sort of scale. You wouldnt need all those things with a global government.


Its coming, if you or trump like it or not its coming because clever people have thought it out, know it is the only way forward and are working to that end. Its why we have nations and we are not just a bunch of tribes, its why we had tribes and didnt just stay individuals. Right now we follow the markets which is a blind abstract, if the markets say do something good we do something good, if they say do something bad we do bad, if they say kill a million people we kill a million people, if they say irreparably pollute the planet then that is what we do. We simply must put our own logical thought first and build a system where that does not have to fight the core machine we run on to get things done, theres no ifs and buts, it must be so or we are doomed, literally.

Right now we are lost, capitalism has offered us nothing to believe in, nothing to strive for and in turn we have become people with no vision, no hope for anything beyond following money for moneys sake and we can clearly see we are chasing it down the plug hole. We know we are running out of resources, we know we are approaching a point where we cant feed everyone, we know we are polluting our planet towards a point where it will kill us and a lot of other life forms we cherish and our model does what? Puts a man like trump in who wants to go ham on natural resources at the expense of the tomorrow he will never live to see and hence doesnt care about. The only way out is to ditch capitalism, and the only way to make that work is global government. Its happening all around us, no amount of brexits or trumps can stop it. Might take 100 years, might take 500 years, but it is inevitable.