Donald Trump

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

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SkyCore wrote:

The deeper message is to be afraid of mexicans. It is a message of hate and fear. He promotes an ideology in which only americans matter. That we should be 'better' than the rest of the world by expelling the non-americans.

The "deeper" message is only in your own mind. All he's doing is stating the obvious, and people are claiming he's spreading hate and fear. That's delusional and irrational thinking. Jumping to conclusions based on "feelings" and nothing else.

If the left can't even recognize the dynamic that explains why they lost, and continues to blame others based on their own personal, delusional and irrational thinking, then this is is likely to be the first of many more defeats to come in the future.

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps all public speakers only mean what the literal interpretation means. Perhaps there is no subtext or manipulation. Perhaps every last person in the media is completely blind to associations, conditioning, and scapegoating. Perhaps there is absolutely no propaganda. And especially not from honest trump who has never lied once in the campaign, or ever really.

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SkyCore wrote:

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps all public speakers only mean what the literal interpretation means. Perhaps there is no subtext or manipulation. Perhaps every last person in the media is completely blind to associations, conditioning, and scapegoating. Perhaps there is absolutely no propaganda. And especially not from honest trump who has never lied once in the campaign, or ever really.

Nice strawman.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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SkyCore wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

pushing this narrative that Trump & Trump supporters are racist, misogynist, homophobic, intolerant, etc.

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Here's the surrounding context:

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When did we beat Japan at anything? They send their cars over by the millions, and what do we do? When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet in Tokyo? It doesn't exist, folks. They beat us all the time.

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They're laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they're killing us economically.

The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you. It's true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right people.

That is clearly NOT saying that all people with Mexican ancestry are rapists; it is saying that the country of Mexico has been sending some of its worst people into our country, in additional to some good people. He's saying Mexico's best people stay in Mexico instead of coming to the US.

Do you think zero Mexican illegal immigrants are rapists? Do you think zero Mexican illegal immigrants bring drugs? Do you think we could do a better job of screening such people out?

thats an interesting longer quote, Ive never seen the full thing. Theres certainly truth in it too.

I really dont like trump, I dont like who he is, I dont like a lot of what he stands for. But one thing I think will be refreshing with Trump is a certain blunt level of honesty on some subjects. Hes far from an honest man, thats not what Im saying, but theres areas where politicians talk the talk, try and sound pc but find a way to lie their way into doing something that needs done in a long winded half arsed fashion where I think Trump being the belligerent arsehole he is will just tell it straight regardless of how unpc it comes out and hopefully will then proceed to get the job done properly and quickly without having to sneak around in the dark playing silly games. Everyone knows hes a shit already, I think that will empower him in a lot of situations.

Sadly that will follow over into terrible situations too where he will do things that are horrific, I have no doubt, but I dont think he will get away with anything that cant be undone by a better man in 4 or 8 years. Lets hope he makes good on manufacturing, immigration and the middle east while hes in the hot seat though and maybe teaches europe a thing or two about just getting things done that are right for our countries without the smoke screen song and dance routine. Hes an ugly man and maybe that makes him the right man to get some ugly jobs done. For all the selfish sins of the west since the 2nd world war weve done a really shitty job looking after our own interests in some areas, and I dont think its helping anyone.

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SkyCore wrote:

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Vhlad wrote:

The US (and even Canadian) mainstream media need to be held to account for all of the bias and manipulation.
Perhaps your information is biased. Trump has proven himself a bigot and a misogynist through his own words. Perhaps you never seen it, but i find it hard to believe... Maybe your long term memory has been manipulated by propaganda and hate from trumps corner? I personally cant see myself ever having that happen to me, but who knows maybe iv been brainwashed into thinking trump has actually said those quotes.

And sadly the mindless puppets are still labeling him as a racist based on that quote. It's pretty obvious, if you aren't biased yourself, that that quote was taken out of context. He clearly stated that the people that Mexico are sending are mainly the people that Mexico doesn't want and the escalation of crime is a direct result of that. Drugs being pushed across our border, gang activity, and human trafficking have all escalated during Obama's regime. I know that that is a hard pill to swallow, but it's the truth and that is partially what got Trump elected. He clearly doesn't hate minorities because he hires them and deals with them successfully in business. And to call him a 'misogynist' is blatantly ignorant as well considering he not only has paid women hire wages than many of your 'progressive' counterparts have, but also gives them leadership positions as they were fit to lead. And 'xenophobia'...go enlist in the military, as I did, and go spend some time in the sandbox and tell me you have no concerns with the un-vetted Muslim immigration into the U.S. Even if you haven't served, you should be able to read and understand the detrimental impact of the refugee crisis taking place in Europe presently.

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SkyCore wrote:

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps all public speakers only mean what the literal interpretation means. Perhaps there is no subtext or manipulation. Perhaps every last person in the media is completely blind to associations, conditioning, and scapegoating. Perhaps there is absolutely no propaganda. And especially not from honest trump who has never lied once in the campaign, or ever really.

Sarcasm detected. But you're still right because you "feel" like you're right.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

Sarcasm detected. But you're still right because you "feel" like you're right.

Who said i was being sarcastic? You just feel like im being sarcastic.
You cant prove i was being sarcastic and thus i will always win this argument.

Here is a perfect example of the "American left".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzvepEzp9Vk

Basically this guy has no clue about the electoral college. FYI, that's middle school civics. He thinks Black people's votes are still worth 1/3rd of a vote because his candidate lost the election and won the popular vote. And thinks that Hillary should sue the US on the grounds that 1 vote isn't 1 vote? Really? Wow...... This dude is a complete idiot. And I find his tears to be delicious.

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SkyCore wrote:

Who said i was being sarcastic? You just feel like im being sarcastic.
You cant prove i was being sarcastic and thus i will always win this argument.

If you weren't being sarcastic, then I won the argument. And there is nothing left to discuss.

Oh man, I was just watching RT thanks to a link in the other thread on here and it went through to an interview with John Pilger who I happened to mention in another post on here recently. I got a lot of respect for this guy, he tells it how he sees it and hes a smart man. Heres a link to the interview, hes so on point with the state of Trump and the larger world view in relation to it, the state of the media, clinton, america vs russia vs china, its a good tour of the subjects weve been going through on here recently, touching on what Bars was saying, Trump is not anti establishment as much as hes a product of the establishment...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ho8OrBzig

worth a watch for one of the last true journalists left standing just cutting through the bullshit right to the core of things.

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MrSmiley21 wrote:

If you weren't being sarcastic, then I won the argument.

So if you agree with me, I win. I accept your surrender.