[2.1] Talisman CI/life viper strike build

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therealjcool wrote:

I think Dual Wield is a great idea, especially for SC. I've made this tree which is a bit better balanced I think:

http://www.exiletools.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAsNii2cgU9W9qjBa_df0mlYRvYeLUQlVLtUiMNutjidMRLzY9cFKdqioLbIxd8mKsDki0xRGWtzDC7Azy2-eQGwce6FoFtaXLRwZwVpUuJogGcI2_8uHYdpoT8NVOn1FHY0O5PtvUSVF6fz7P51QwfKxmveYk_Y19LOH_3iP2feNNkqOK7g6xs_zFDHMbrQ2NlWYEsVuvh3YV9gOHexQUdU4q459iedN-GNtM_0p9AAYAXn11dPFDMRmO_roppdrBV5fDM-2DdO0LwVoaCC4FLWBBeu9jcL6nZU29Nkd-hNk=

Now imagine this: We are boosting chaos damage as well as phys, and focus on crit. With something like a Bino's or high crit dagger and 5 power charges, we should be able to near crit cap eventually. Now here comes the beautiful part: We use the same trick as with some reave builds; put an incompatible weapon in offhand. Which weapon you ask? Easy: http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Death's_Hand
Not only does it keep us topped up with power charges (hence we take 5th charge from bandit), it also gives us unholy might! Meaning that we get 30% of our (huge) physical damage added as chaos damage! This is a free 30% damage right there that cannot be reflected back to us! And it scales with all our chaos nodes. To further exploit this, I'd consider wearing one http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Ming's_Heart - maybe 2 in SC if you wanna go full yolo, but one is enough really. This gives us a chaos res of at least 0, dealing with an annoying problem elegantly and adds another 20% chaos conversion on top, so we now gain 50% of our phys damage as chaos!

To counter the loss of life from ming's and generally the problem that shadow has with life nodes, I'd say wearing a Belly is a must. But even a 4L one with VS - splash - multistrike - melee phys should do a huge amount of damage.
Another item to consider is http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Southbound; it gives up to 16% life, thus negating ming's penalty. We can also disregard this item's downside, as we stack everything with poison which will kill off any enemy once we get them to 0HP.

Finally, for a massive flat HP boost, http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Kaom's_Roots can be chosen. At the cost of 4 sockets, we gain armor, unwavering and a double life roll. The fact that these have no MS doesn't hurt us, since we whirling blade everywhere anyway.

Hope I got your imagination going guys :)

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Ir4kandj7 wrote:

I post this again and hope you answer me OP:

Thanks for sharing your build! I have three questions about it:

1. Do you think its HC viable?
2. For what is the Spectral throw gem setup?
3. Should I aim for AR/EVA Gear or pure AR or EVA? Whats most efficient when we have IR?

Thanks!

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therealjcool wrote:

Funny you'd call this build "yolo" - I'll be running it in Talisman HC :D
With 166% life from tree + assuming a 40% Belly, you get 206% life - thats a lot for the damage really. Even with ming's and no Southbound, 190% is still respectable.
I agree it probably won't be able to do core Malachai, but should be fine up to 77/78 maps which is enough for a first char in a league IMO.

And I feel you havn't quite udnerstood my point about using Southbound, so I'll try to explain better: With Viper strike, we apply poison stacks to mobs. We hit them withour direct damage until they reach 0HP, but don't die due to Southbound.
Now, the poison stacks are DoT and not direct attack damage from us; therefore I assume the poison stacks will finish the last 1HP and kill mobs :)

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Tereng wrote:

Well the reason I don't think it is very good for survivability is:
1. We are dropping shield, which is very good source of armor and block chance. I really don't like loosing shield.
2. Even with high life pool, I've seen people getting one shotted with even like 6K life. You know all those bad modes and rare monster combinations can be deadly, and since there's no shield there'll be even less armor to absorb that.
3. Also with 2.0, monsters now hit harder, especially in high tier maps. I believe you can do till like lvl 76 maps no problem with the build, but I think past lvl 76 it'll be bit difficult. A good player with game knowledge can manage it, but for most of the players it is not as viable.

Yes good point about Southbound the hit that is supposed to kill the monster will drop it to 1HP and then it'll die cause of DOT. However, there is catch here, melee splash as I understand won't spread poison, so the monster close to you will die cause of this mechanic, but still the monster far away won't be poisoned and will need to be hit for dot application. That is the reason, I mentioned using hatred as it will freeze monsters on crit. and they'll die by melee splash. But then you'll have to drop grace aura, which is something I don't feel comfortable about.

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therealjcool wrote:

Ah, didn't think about splash not spreading the poison stacks.

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Morgoth2356 wrote:

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therealjcool wrote:

Ah, didn't think about splash not spreading the poison stacks.

So what this means is only the initial target is getting poisoned and the others around hit by the splash effect will not suffer any DoT damage, only the initial hit ? If that is the case it really sucks.