VAAL Fight OP for Solo Evasion
My stats upon getting one hit by Vaal's hammer are pictured below. More than Max resists, due to passives and a unique shield. Double Strike + Faster Attacks + Blind and Vulnerability Curse was my offense. The link to my passive tree is here:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIBCC4VIBjbGY4kpSzpSn1W-ls9W69noGqHdEF08XfXeOt_K4d2kAqSzZuNnrmsR7fi037WityC3Q3igOcK7YPvevzF This is insane. I do not have any valid defense against the Construct Adds because they use Physical/Chaos Spell Damage, only Way I can get anywhere in this fight is to kill the adds as they spawn and then get into his face using the life on hit from my Claw + Flasks to keep my health up as I tank his laser and ice attacks, but the hammer comes swinging and BOOM dead, I have killed 6 characters against this fight. The Piety fight is easier than this one, please do something to balance the difficulty with the rest of the game progression. Thank you. Only way I can see to modify things to get past this is to over-level up to 35 and get another Health group, though I had 450 HP as it was. As it stands now, Evasion is not a valid defense, and that is only because of this fight. ![]() This thread has been automatically archived. Replies are disabled.
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You don't tank Vaal. Use lightning strike + point blank to kill him.
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Problem:
He lifts his arm.... slowly slowly slowly you stay where you are BAM Dead Solution: He lifts his arm.... slowly slowly slowly You run 5 meters around him BAM He hits nothing Their is absolutly no need to get hit by the hammer or laser ... both are easy to avoid (on normal, on cruel, on merciless). Only that falling down things from the ceeling are hard to avoid and the adds. But in fact you can do that fight without taking any damage at all from Vaal himself. Move, run - you are not supposed to face-tank him! I like this boss: - no gear check - pure skill check (not getting hit by anything) Basicly its playing D3 pre nerf inferno DH ... if you get hit you are dead. And you can avoid everything in most ARPGs. In contrast: Pietys first "encounter" on a3 BAD DESIGN! - gear check ! You can not avoid that storm from above thats :( Its okay to get killed by that slowly moving orb - you can avoid it (in fact that thing should onehit everyone even with 95% res and 6k Hp to make it a skill check) Last edited by return33#2156 on Feb 14, 2013, 4:44:30 AM
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So you are saying that the only way to kill him is to rework my entire build around LS. Cute.
What I am saying is that, with my current build, leading up to this fight is a challenging, yet manageable, difficulty progression through the game, after this fight is a challenging, yet manageable, difficulty progression through the game (Up through Act 2 Cruel), but this fight is disproportionately hard. I am tired of having to over-level my character by 8-10 levels and trading for gear above the level of the current area in order to stand a chance, and then still getting tossed around like a rag doll by what is supposed to be a mid-game boss. |
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Thats not what he was saying at all. You can use any melee attack you want (I used infernal blow). You simply have to stop attacking and move for the short duration that he uses his smash and lightning attack. While I am not evasion based if you want to look at an example of an evasion based character completing vaal for example during the race that just happened you can check out devmoon's stream.
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And Yes, his attack is slow. But with the de-sync problems in the game, You cannot be expected to be able to run away every time he slowly lifts his arm, chances are you are dead already and don't know it. Drop his Damage by 15-20% and increase AoE or Speed of the Attack. Something so that it is still a massively powerful attack, but one that will knock out 80% of your health and give you a chance to recover,not one-shot you into oblivion
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If a Player had an attack that could One-Shot someone in PvP, regardless of how slow. Everyone on here whould be crying OP and it would get nerfed, but because it is a boss and only affects certain types of (otherwise perfectly valid) build schemes, we all just ignore it and say, oh well.
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There are plenty of ways people get one shot in pvp when someone has high crit multiplier etc. This boss exists as one of the few skill checks in this game. Can you outrun the super slow super exaggerated animation for his most powerful attack. You do not need to outlevel or outgear this encounter. The only thing you are suggesting is making this fight into the exact thing you currently imagine it to be, a gear check. Making the smash more likely to hit you/harder to avoid means that players will have to have the life/resists to not get one shot.
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You are absolutely right, this boss fight is a check of your skills as a gamer. But one with absolutely 0 margin for mistakes. If I miss 1-2 of the construct adds, dead. If I accidentally Whirling Blades into a hammer smash, or simply do not see it coming, dead. The fact that I was over-leveled and over-geared should have given me some margin for error on this fight, but it didn't, which tells me that there is some room for balancing on this fight.
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Why should a boss be so mercyfull to allow you to make an mistake?
I dont know what damage that guy does on merciless - but enough to oneshot an 3,4k HP, 80 fireres, 7 endurance charges char - and thats fine! Its one of that "dont fail" mechanics - which are rare in PoE. The laser doesnt onehit you (only if you make two mistakes in a row!), the constructs dont onehit you - you can make plenty of mistakes on that fight - but not on that ONE, rarly used mechanic. Its okay to have that kind of thing sometimes - as long as its not all the time. (Diablo 3 overdid it when inferno was new - every mistake, every hit, every trashmob, everything onehitted my demonhunter from a2 above). I would agree if a trashmob you encounter 5252 times every evening would be so mercyless ! But its a BOSS! Last edited by return33#2156 on Feb 14, 2013, 5:17:37 AM
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