[New End-Game Content] - 'Hall of Hate' - explanation inside.

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Jaxom wrote:

Love this suggestion. I think having the keys gated by two separate 20% RNG instances would be a bit much/frustrating. You are taking risk getting into the higher tier maps. You then have a 20% chance for the key to drop then another 20% chance for it to work. With a system like this, I like that there is a 20% chance for it to drop but once you have the key (account bound), it just works. No double RNG factor. Other than that, I would love to do something like this.

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Boem wrote:

1) can the HoH drop maps?

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Boem wrote:

2) does the HoH grant experience?

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Boem wrote:

1) can the HoH drop maps?
2) does the HoH grant experience?

If the answer to any of those is "yes" then it's a bust since it would contradict the entire current mapping model.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

1)When considering things like this, one always has to account for perverse reactions of the community and abuse cases.

At first glance i can see people simply joining HoH with mule accounts and keeping the waiting room open.

This would grant them unlimited access to top-end content (82 tiers) assuming they have solid builds they will just blast to the highest tiers and collect loot upon loot while chaining high xp.

2) if map drops in this instance, it would be illogical to skip it when it opens. Similar to a high level zana instance, you don't necessarily do it for the zana mission(lel?), you do it for the experience it grants and the additional shot at map drops.

This moves it away from optional content to mandatory content.

3) one can deduce from the time GGG spends on balancing xp rates/map drops etc that xp/hour at top end is something they care about a lot.

Providing an alternative that requires no "buy-in" cost would make it directly superior to the alternatives(mapping system)

Currently the system requires dedication and investment in many different forms depending on style. Your suggestion would strip that.

If there is no cost associated, there is also no risk. That's how mapping works currently, high cost and disputable return, but fundamentally always rewards xp.

Hope this makes sense.

An alternative way to implement this is to make it purely "gearing" oriented.

Remove any xp gains, remove map drop potential and allow area's to drop item levels +5 of the zone instance. This allows players to run this to gear up and get potential upgrades locked away for them.

Defeating tier 16 could offer a 100% random divination card as incentive to "finish the run" and the chest's could offer currency drops only.(exclude exalts/mirrors etc from these chest's, only mid-tier currency should drop from them)

This creates a situation where players could alternate between maps and HoH, low on currency? run HoH when it becomes available, low on gear? Dito. Wanna farm the divination card and simply have some random fun? etc....

While maps retain their main function of providing xp/hour at a risk reward ratio.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Maswasnos wrote:

I re-read your post after your edits, and it sounds great! I love the idea of having to get keys to open the HoH when it isn't open.

However, why have a random chance to drop the keys AND a random chance for them to work? You could just combine the two chances to make the keys rarer, but always open the HoH. Keys probably should NOT be tradeable so that rich players can't run the HoH like a map by buying up tons and tons of keys (much like they do with maps right now).

I'm fine with the HoH granting experience, since it's not something that can be run all day every day like maps. It would be more like a daily quest that you get to do more than once a day (an hourly?).

The BEST part about this idea is that it would break the monotony of maps at a semi-regular interval. I would suggest that the levels within the hall be different than map areas (smaller, with different layouts and tilesets) so it doesn't feel like a different way to do maps. This should be a separate system from maps that can stand on its own.

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tsachiy1 wrote:

3) I still dont' see how XP gain will be an issue. You will encounter hard maps which u CANNOT re-roll (imagine tier 8/9/10 which is the mid-tier with blood magic + no regen or so).
There are many ways to fail this instance, and even if u dont fail - so be it. you can't add zana mods to it for super-experience and re-running HoH just to reach the last few tiers to farm exp is simply isnt a good way to farm exp, especially risking death due to floor's hard propreties and losing exp.

4) only currency loot from chest is way too good. giving +5 ilvl gear is possible, I even thought about it but i felt its maybe too much. maybe i was wrong and it can still work out with +5 ilvl from chest rewards.

5)additional 'floor 16 specific' loot from each boss there (a card for example) is something I support (although lets face it, cards are not somthing people are hungry for. maybe another item will be a better choice).