Act 4: evasion sucks

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Jennik wrote:

Charan, it doesn't seem like any of your posts in this thread are coming from a hardcore perspective. I don't think balance discussions related to survivability are very useful if you're not focusing on hardcore leagues. From the perspective of a character that absolutely can't die a single time, evasion is far inferior to armour.

I've played somewhere around 6 characters to maps this league. Only one was armour, one was MOM, Cloak of Flame, and Endurance Charges, and the rest were EV and Acro. They were all various flavors of casters, so they got hit by roughly the same amount of attacks.

The Evasion characters were smashed super low constantly, since they took the full strength of any hit that connected. The armour character almost never goes below 90% life, and never has close calls. This is with only a 50% armour rating and no other significant mitigation going up against same level content. The EV characters had roughly 50% EV plus 40% dodge.

The only build that actually felt safe was the armour build. The rest felt sketchy at all times, and all but one of them ended up dying to a hit that armour likely would have prevented from being lethal. A higher investment in defenses for EV based characters results in a lower chance of survival than armour would give.

Both forms of defense are garbage compared to Lightning Coil, Taste of Hate, and Fortify, but that's an entirely different problem. Evasion's simply not very good right now. Energy shield's terrible until you get to a gear level where your numbers are ridiculously high. The only one of the three major forms of defense that you can currently rely on to keep you alive somewhat consistently is armour.

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

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RogueMage wrote:

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

The character was reasonably twinked: lv 68, 4.5k evasion, 3k hp, 44% chance to evade, 40% chance to dodge, 30% chance to dodge spells (Phase Acrobatics), max elemental resists, no chaos resist. You cannot really expect much more by the time you get to A4M.

3K life is nowhere close to enough to handle Merciless Malachai, regardless of whether you use evasion or any other combination of damage mitigation. Level-68 is also quite low for Act 4, I tackled it solo with a level-72 Facebreaker build and died repeatedly to both Malachai and Piety. For comparison, check out the level-85 Marauder in my profile. He can facetank Merciless Malachai without getting one-shot, but he has 4.5K life, 350 life regen/sec, and 50 LGOH at 5 APS, not to mention Fortify, Arctic Armour, etc.

3k life is perfectly fine in combination with other defenses, for almost all of PoE content. The cases I highlighted are the exceptions because they attack the ground, not you, making evasion useless. Then of course you are naked other than your raw life pool. This is the problem! Evasion should not be negated like this.

And pls don't say that you are supposed to wait until you are in mid-80s and well geared before finishing the main story on Merciless. I've killed A4M Malachai without dying at lv 67 with a 2.5k life SRS summoner that was not even twinked other than max resist gear. When you delegate dps to minions and spend 95% of your time just running and dodging ground damage, it's not that bad. And I've done it on a lv 68 CI+GR+VP incinerator with 5k ES - that one had enough leech to recover with enough time to do some dps.

It's just evasion that's powerless here.

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grubworm wrote:

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AxxiusEQ wrote:

3k life is perfectly fine in combination with other defenses, for almost all of PoE content. The cases I highlighted are the exceptions because they attack the ground, not you, making evasion useless. Then of course you are naked other than your raw life pool. This is the problem! Evasion should not be negated like this.

And pls don't say that you are supposed to wait until you are in mid-80s and well geared before finishing the main story on Merciless. I've killed A4M Malachai without dying at lv 67 with a 2.5k life SRS summoner that was not even twinked other than max resist gear. When you delegate dps to minions and spend 95% of your time just running and dodging ground damage, it's not that bad. And I've done it on a lv 68 CI+GR+VP incinerator with 5k ES - that one had enough leech to recover with enough time to do some dps.

It's just evasion that's powerless here.

3 k life lawls. maybe for a full potato.

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

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Ymirok wrote:

I agree that evasion is extremely bad. It cannot help you at all against physical area damage. There is simply no way to alleviate this issue. Granite flasks can help but that armor will fall off later on.

I honestly think they should just reduce all physical damage of mobs in act 4. Torchoak Grove (and its saplings) is the most annoying boss in the game, in my opinion.

I agree with your points but TG is a fire threat, right? or is it a combination? That would explain a lot.

The saplings are the real problem.

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Ceryneian wrote:

Enemy damage is now way too high and leech has been nerfed. Acro remains nerfed, and now Ondar's has been nerfed.

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If you are not a) playing DOT "hit-and-run", or b) have insanely high DPS - then you WILL NOT last on end-game content with EV.

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Meanwhile you are running around with your little EV character on 4K life, trying to survive with "hit-and-run", praying your entropy doesn't fk you over for a one-shot.

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You are happy with shitty EV uniques like Atziri Mirror and other crap GGG gives EV like Bronn's Lithe/Rat Cage/Queen, while the AR guys enjoy their Aegis, Lioneye's Remorse, Kaom's, Belly Beasts, and get FULL benefit from IR uniques like BofR, Daresso Defiance, and LC?

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Useless EV wheel on Scion that has remained crap and untouched for 3 years? While the AR guys cruise to their nice life wheel and the CI guys get their ES wheel?

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Now nearing the end of 2015, still no unique jade flask? Ok. Doesn't seem to bother the EV guys - in fact they seem happy that GGG has made two unique granite flasks for AR, and nothing for EV.