[2.0 "TS"] BOSS IMMORTALITY BUILD ATZIRI=1EX UBER =20EX

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FoToR wrote:
Great build! Finally got all gems, I like it)
I have some questions. Why warlord's mark is lvl 4? How does it work on boss fights when u want to use only Flammability? Boss becomes all time debuffed by Warlord's mark ?((
And, Is it possible to change Belly of the Beast for some high Armor roll rare chest with Life ? Could be not a big difference in life, but much more armor, and as I understand - evasion gives us nothing.
Sorry, English is not my native too )))

Edit. Understood CwDT mechanics. Still, why Warlord's mark not level 5, but lvl 4?
And isn't it better to have Enduring Cry lvl 14 to get it autocast for Endurance charges with CwDT? Cause lvl 20 you have to cast manually.


*Damage on bosses is not an issue with vaal molten shell, they die almost instantly, curses don't have much effect on them anyway.
*I play the build with a high armor rare rather than belly, I think it's better, especially if you choose to get more armor nodes.
*Enduring Cry doesn't auto-cast in 2.0 since it's not a spell, so there's no point keeping it low level.
IGN: HarroHarbinger
Last edited by Catharsis on Sep 13, 2015, 4:07:26 PM
Hi.

Im following ur guide. i bought the mace and the shield. and when i checked the price of the helm... is expensive XD

is there a cheap option until i can buy the scold bridle?


i forgot... a noob question: should i rise quality at 20% to the mace and the shield?
Last edited by GusGreenWind on Sep 13, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
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GusGreenWind wrote:
Hi.

Im following ur guide. i bought the mace and the shield. and when i checked the price of the helm... is expensive XD

is there a cheap option until i can buy the scold bridle?


i forgot... a noob question: should i rise quality at 20% to the mace and the shield?


*You can use any rare life/resist/armor helm, the scold's is only there to proc Vaal Shell rapidly.
*Yes quality everything to 20%.
IGN: HarroHarbinger
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GusGreenWind wrote:



i forgot... a noob question: should i rise quality at 20% to the mace and the shield?



Actually not that very noob question lol....

We try KEEP ES LOW on life based RF build

I bought me this:

rise of the phoenix 100% inc es/armor


Now I wonder.... didn't I be better of buying a bad roll and NO ES from quality???

ES/RF burn breakdown calculation:
mosaic kite shield base ES = 37

ES increases:
100% shield
20% quality


37 * 2,2 = 81


33% form intelligence (167int on my current tree/gear)
10% ES increase Sanctity node (at Templar start)
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81 * 1,43 = 116

116 total es


SAME calc on 80% RotP shiled + NO quality =

95 total ES




CASE 1....116 es WITH Q and good 100% roll
CASE 2....95 es WITHOUT Q and bad roll


RF burns 70% max es @ 88% res:

(100-88) x 0,7 = 8,4% burn of total ES=

10 burn/ sec for CASE 1
8 burn/sec for CASE 2

However....

+6 regen on the shield =

4 degen and 2 degen case 1 and case 2 respectively

the RF burn on RotP can be ignored for it's own ES gains




TLDR:
OKAAAAY....

Guess we can ignore the burn damage from ES gained by quality 20 lol...
Just wanted to know myself haha :)



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fer662 wrote:
Your DPS calculation is off by a lot because you're stacking effects as if they were multiplicative when they are additive (more vs increased).


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tsohar77 wrote:

DPS breakdown for 6L/5L(not mach change most dps vaal molten shell)

Incinerate Righteous Fire tooltip: 55000
Vaal Molten Shell Righteous Fire tooltip: 36500
Cast Speed: 16.67

Calculation: (55000 x 4) + (36500 x 16.67 / 2 * 2.3) = 919,723
Fire Penetration Gem + Flammability trap: 919,723 * 1.81 = 1,664,694
15% more with Atziri's Promise 1,914,403
25% more celestial punishment(skill tree) 2,393,004
20% Ignited 2,871,604
50% Vaal Lightning Trap 4,307,407

Total = 4,307,407

Could be higher with Vaal Haste but nm :)



Calculating... will edit soon

Edit:

The damage calculation is indeed way off...
I cannot do the calculation for you, that's just too complex and I don't know your exact stats...

But the major flaw is clearly celestial punishment and atziri flask damage u added.
I know English is not you main so this can be confusing.

Increased, Reduced, More, Less


It would be rather:

55,000 dps RF incinerate + 25% increased form celestial punishment = [unknown because not enough data + complex calculations]

BUT you could force that to show up in tooltip by equipping a 25% spell damage shield with no other stats that alter spell dmg, just that, no intel or cast speed, also keep in mind jewels with: increase in spell dmg while holding shield may alter the math so dont do it with mace but shield...


Example calculation

After analyse of your stats, gear and dps pictures, I estimate you are around 821% incr damage
Celestial judgement: +25% = 846%

Again, I do NOT know your exact current stats so it's real hard to calculate, also LMP GMP makes it not easy to do, so I ignore that for now

LvL 19 incinerate:
134 - 200 fire dmg = 167 Unmodified Dmg per HIT, not DPS

your tooltip in picture:
1952 - 2940 = 2446

/1,59 from RF(LvL20?) = 1538 DMG per hit

1538 / X(inc dmg) = 167
X = 1538 / 167 = 9,21
=>> 821% increased damage

+ 25% celestial = 846% * 167 = 1580 DMG per hit
=42 DMG per hit extra

42 * 1,59 (RF LvL 20) = 67 DMG per hit extra

67 * 17(rough castspeed) = 1135 DPS increase

This is a very rough estimate, I don't have all data...
(exact cast speed and dmg increases... intel...)


But we can assume for now, even if my calcs are off:

55,000 + 1200 (the new celestial calc) = 56200 x 4 = 224,800 dps on stage 3 incinerate

Short: the above calc is where to place celestial punishment.

Not 55000 x 4 (stage 3 incinerate) x 1,25 (celestial punish) = 275,000

Same for atziri flask


The best way to find out, equip a 25% inc spell shield



In short: Your build does SICK damage anyway :) :) :)
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Last edited by Earthslug on Sep 14, 2015, 1:28:13 PM
Here's a simple calculation.

34k vaal shell + Scold's + 16.6 CPS * 2 * 0.7 (echo) = 789k dps for 10 seconds.
Combined with Slower Proj 48k Incinerate (my own incinerate dps) *4


981k dps for 10 seconds on bosses.

We don't calculate fire pen and all that bullshit because most bosses have high fire res.
IGN: HarroHarbinger
Last edited by Catharsis on Sep 14, 2015, 2:07:06 PM
Noob question:

my vaal shell does only dmg when something hits me?
So how do u ppl get to calc dps on that?

Never used it before and didnt even know its in game before reading this build lol
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Earthslug wrote:
Noob question:

my vaal shell does only dmg when something hits me?
So how do u ppl get to calc dps on that?

Never used it before and didnt even know its in game before reading this build lol



This helmet makes you take damage for each incinerate you cast, proccing vaal shell for every said cast, which is doubled by spell echo linked to molten shell and then reduced by 30% since spell echo adds 70% more cast speed and not 100.

Ergo 16.6 Casts per second of incinerate equal 23 vaal shell procs per second.
Needless to say that without Scold's vaal shell will only proc when you take damage from enemies.

*Note that I'm still not positive on the exact numbers of how it works, so take the numbers with a grain of salt.
IGN: HarroHarbinger
Last edited by Catharsis on Sep 14, 2015, 2:37:49 PM
Yo I just thought of it 5 min after posting lol.
Tnx for confirming.

Ur dps calc should be more or less correct yeh.

How about... bloodrage to get 3 frenzies?
12% inc cast speed right?
AND 4% more dmg per frenzy

= ur total dps x 1.12 no and some rxtra cast spd?

Dunno if we have extra gem slot....
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