Golems sucks hard, especially Flame Golem

I use Flame Golem. As a minion it's completely useless. It can't kill anything in a reasonable amount of time. It doesn't do any worthwhile tanking. It will die immediately to anything that is threatening. However, I have a free open socket and with the press of button I get 16% increased damage. And as the golem is ranged and always lags behind me, I rarely if ever have to recast it. By the time it catches up, everything is dead and I am moving on. Rinse, repeat.

I like the chaos golem for my incinerate ES tank build.

It only costs one slot in one of my many CwDTs, and it gives me a flat 3%+ bonus to physical damage reduction.

Now, when my Molten Shell is active, I'm using my Granite flask, and I have 3 endurance charges, the addition of the golem brings me to 81% physical damage reduction... which whichever way you look at it isn't half bad for a ES tank build that only gets equipment armour from a belt an an archon shield.

It isn't the world, but going from those 76-77% to 81% physical DR when I am pressed the hardest is cheap for one gem slot.

So there's at least one situation in which golems don't suck at all!

With my ranger, the golem of flame adds me many of dps, I see not in what this gemstone becomes useless. On the bosses is enough to call upon him that takes you what, 1s? As a totem.
As my point of vue, golem is a good gem, The golem of ice a little less, the critic whom he brings is not famous.

Furthermore, I like when we say: with a summoner that is of no use, needs the same step to put him that dps not and that has no life. LOL
My friend has a witch summoner, on Malachai in cruel the golem did not die, Continue to hit the boss quietly, just with 20k of hp. It's true, it is useless.

It is not because you do not like this gemstone, that you have to demystify her. You do not like, you use not.
As we say, we like or we like not, but we make not yuk.

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FairyDream wrote:

With my ranger, the golem of flame adds me many of dps, I see not in what this gemstone becomes useless. On the bosses is enough to call upon him that takes you what, 1s? As a totem.
As my point of vue, golem is a good gem, The golem of ice a little less, the critic whom he brings is not famous.

Furthermore, I like when we say: with a summoner that is of no use, needs the same step to put him that dps not and that has no life. LOL
My friend has a witch summoner, on Malachai in cruel the golem did not die, Continue to hit the boss quietly, just with 20k of hp. It's true, it is useless.

It is not because you do not like this gemstone, that you have to demystify her. You do not like, you use not.
As we say, we like or we like not, but we make not yuk.

you act like summoner have limitless space for random minions, we .... don't golem not competing in vacuum

golem competing with guardian, zombie, specter, skeleton, srs, aura, curse, offerin, movement skill, convocation, vaal skill, support gem.

golem worse than all of those.

20000 hp minion that does no damage, not useful to summoner. summoner die before minion have impact = fail minion.


golem that adds 100s of dps in a game where most players should have 40,000+ dps = not impactful.


golem is simply better than nothing. but once you compare it to something.. it is quite shit

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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FairyDream wrote:

With my ranger, the golem of flame adds me many of dps, I see not in what this gemstone becomes useless. On the bosses is enough to call upon him that takes you what, 1s? As a totem.
As my point of vue, golem is a good gem, The golem of ice a little less, the critic whom he brings is not famous.

Furthermore, I like when we say: with a summoner that is of no use, needs the same step to put him that dps not and that has no life. LOL
My friend has a witch summoner, on Malachai in cruel the golem did not die, Continue to hit the boss quietly, just with 20k of hp. It's true, it is useless.

It is not because you do not like this gemstone, that you have to demystify her. You do not like, you use not.
As we say, we like or we like not, but we make not yuk.

you act like summoner have limitless space for random minions, we .... don't golem not competing in vacuum

golem competing with guardian, zombie, specter, skeleton, srs, aura, curse, offerin, movement skill, convocation, vaal skill, support gem.

golem worse than all of those.

20000 hp minion that does no damage, not useful to summoner. summoner die before minion have impact = fail minion.

Golem can have support gem like Minion Life/ Minion Damage. My boyfriend use it, with vall summons, with 7 zombies, and i see the dps of the golem, solo. I can say that the golem dps.

Each makes what he wants of his build, I do not just like that we criticize a gemstone which is not useless, I use myself a golem of chaos in my build, and I am very satisfied with it.

Maybe that in SC you find that useless, but it is strange, I see many players in HC with golem.

because in hardcore every little bit no matter how insignificant helps. it is a dramatically different game style with entirely different priorities.

they just want that 3% mitigation because 3% is better than 0% and the sources of mitigation are limited. it is more or less an endurance charge.

again, golem when compared to nothing is good, golem when compared to something is not good.

if you really have nothing better to throw in your gem slots , then yeah why not use a golem. however i find it rather surprising that people would have room for that. especially a summoner which have a ridiculous amount of gem requirements associated with them.

so yeah if one values their gems slots so low (which can happen in some builds that really only need 2 or 3 of their 5 - 7 linked items ) then the golem is a question of why not.

but i have already sand boxed this. the golems beat only the animate guardian in clear speed and damage potential. and the guardian is not even trying to be a good gem.

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FairyDream wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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FairyDream wrote:

With my ranger, the golem of flame adds me many of dps, I see not in what this gemstone becomes useless. On the bosses is enough to call upon him that takes you what, 1s? As a totem.
As my point of vue, golem is a good gem, The golem of ice a little less, the critic whom he brings is not famous.

Furthermore, I like when we say: with a summoner that is of no use, needs the same step to put him that dps not and that has no life. LOL
My friend has a witch summoner, on Malachai in cruel the golem did not die, Continue to hit the boss quietly, just with 20k of hp. It's true, it is useless.

It is not because you do not like this gemstone, that you have to demystify her. You do not like, you use not.
As we say, we like or we like not, but we make not yuk.

you act like summoner have limitless space for random minions, we .... don't golem not competing in vacuum

golem competing with guardian, zombie, specter, skeleton, srs, aura, curse, offerin, movement skill, convocation, vaal skill, support gem.

golem worse than all of those.

20000 hp minion that does no damage, not useful to summoner. summoner die before minion have impact = fail minion.

Golem can have support gem like Minion Life/ Minion Damage. My boyfriend use it, with vall summons, with 7 zombies, and i see the dps of the golem, solo. I can say that the golem dps.

Each makes what he wants of his build, I do not just like that we criticize a gemstone which is not useless, I use myself a golem of chaos in my build, and I am very satisfied with it.

Maybe that in SC you find that useless, but it is strange, I see many players in HC with golem.

I agree.

And i believe that a lot of the people in this thread that's dropping critique to the skill fail to deliever it properly.

I'd say that the golems currently are "less good" than what they could potentialy be, but i'm happy with that rather than the opposite.

The skill doesn't _suck_, period. It's an indication of a poor perspective to claim so.

I feel like the whole Golem thing is just an artificial movement by GGG to create more button pushes. We went from 1-button wonder builds where we 6 link one skill an spam that + 1 mobility skill to now not having ENOUGH buttons.

The golem is a cheesy attempt for us to have an extra button that is re-cast buff. Combine this with things like Warcrys that can't be auto-triggered either and we now have real estate issues with our button mappings.

I don't like the golems either...but i'm not going to turn down 10% free damage. The only real problem I have with them is that their health scaling is annoying. In act 1-3 you can get away with an infrequent cast every few zones...in act 4 it seems as if that thing just dies as soon as you cast it.

I wish GGG would give us more "toggle" skills so we can set it, swap out the skill, and forget it until we die.

+1 on the golems aren't that interesting train...

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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FairyDream wrote:

With my ranger, the golem of flame adds me many of dps, I see not in what this gemstone becomes useless. On the bosses is enough to call upon him that takes you what, 1s? As a totem.
As my point of vue, golem is a good gem, The golem of ice a little less, the critic whom he brings is not famous.

Furthermore, I like when we say: with a summoner that is of no use, needs the same step to put him that dps not and that has no life. LOL
My friend has a witch summoner, on Malachai in cruel the golem did not die, Continue to hit the boss quietly, just with 20k of hp. It's true, it is useless.

It is not because you do not like this gemstone, that you have to demystify her. You do not like, you use not.
As we say, we like or we like not, but we make not yuk.

you act like summoner have limitless space for random minions, we .... don't golem not competing in vacuum

golem competing with guardian, zombie, specter, skeleton, srs, aura, curse, offerin, movement skill, convocation, vaal skill, support gem.

golem worse than all of those.

20000 hp minion that does no damage, not useful to summoner. summoner die before minion have impact = fail minion.


golem that adds 100s of dps in a game where most players should have 40,000+ dps = not impactful.


golem is simply better than nothing. but once you compare it to something.. it is quite shit

Hi! Level 91 summoner here, and I have to say, you are hilariously wrong.

My current build is all-summons, which uses SRS, Zombies, Spectres, Animate Weapon, Chaos Golem, and Vaal Skellies as a room-clear button. My Chaos Golem isn't the team MVP--that's the SRS, because duh--but it's a mobile artillery unit, drawing aggro and wiping life away on the go while providing some much-needed DR. And you know what? It almost never dies, but when it does--BOOM. The Chaos Golem has more health than any handful of other minions combined, which is one helluva Minion Instability gib.

In the end, it's all preference, and I prefer to use the CG.

Don't have any issues with golem utility, but they're all pretty ugly.

Fire golem = mushroom on legs
Ice golem = Piety's (ballerina) miscreation
Chaos golem = four-legged creature dumped on by elephant:



Hopefully they offer some MTXs at some point :p