Eternal aren't the problem, Mirrors are!
" new t1 affixes? wow. it's already difficult enough to get 5, let alone 6 right mods on an item. even if the current t1 becomes t2 a 6*t2 item will be untouchable for a long long time if ever. regarding item trades: i don't check the forum often so don't send me PMs about the items i have for sale, just add me ingame and contact me when i'm online.
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" I dont miss the implication at all. I dont have any of the top items, I have some mirrored items, but theres better ones than mine already. This will mean if I ever want these better ones Ill have to pay an unthinkable amount, which I will never be able to do, so I will never be able to get the top items that exist on the server. Thats fine, Im fine getting used to the power level of gear available to me coming down, that all the gear I chase form now on having less power than the gear I could have chased without this change. Its for the good of the game, its not a problem for me. " Before eternals existed the number 1 dagger had about 370 top end damage and it didnt even have a crit chance suffix. With eternals the best dagger of that type now has 470 top end damage with perfect crit chance, crit multiplier and attack speed. the old one was about 370 pdps, loath bane is a 550 pdps dagger... Once the eternals are gone those sort of items will not be outclassed, its just not going to happen realistically. this is what Ventor said on Wabachaws podcast "the mirror items which are in standard will basically be immortalized, they wont be able to be beaten" he then goes on to talk about how even though theres eternal orbs left on the server, theyre worth 20-30 exalts each so its not worth even trying with the ones that are still around. When they go its over, basically, someone might be mad enough to have a last pop at a few more pieces then its done. The chance of someone even making something equal to loath bane is so remote its not even worth taking seriously as an idea. Anything could happen, technically, but its never happened so far. People made those weapons by rerolling the same item 500, 600, 1000+ times to end up with 6 top stats, never in the history of this game has a weapon ever dropped like that or has someone hit a weapon like that with only 3 exalts. Think about it, taking 1000 rerolls just to get those stats, now think of the odds of hitting stats that have a lower probability of rolling and hitting the right ones 3 in a row. Chest armours might be beaten, cause its probably the lowest variance slot, virtually no one mirrors chests any more anyway. You think you know crafting better than ventor? How many items have you crafted? Its possible someone might make a better weapon without eternals, it could happen day 1, but the odds are infinitesimal. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :) Last edited by Snorkle_uk#0761 on Jul 9, 2015, 10:28:02 AM
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@Snorkle
Ventor is exaggerating. Do not get me wrong, I believe those items will be extremely difficult to beat and will remain top dogs for a ridiculous stretch of time. Years in most cases. But unless your outlook is that PoE won't make it to 2019, I think it is a safe bet that most (maybe not all) those items will be beaten eventually. On a long enough timeline, the survival rate of every current mirrorable drops to zero. The only thing Ventor convinced me of is that beating them still take a very, very long time. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jul 9, 2015, 10:55:03 AM
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" How many drop items (with a yolo exalt or two) have been even close to what crafted 6 T1 weapons are since wipes stopped happening? Someone should do the math (which I am pretty damn sure someone like ventor has) and provide some real thought on the matter. My point being, you say "on a long enough timeline", but you don't define that timeline. What if that "long enough timeline" is 100+ years if the player base continues on its current growth(?) in size and playtime. |
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i was wrong in assessing a few things i had no real knowledge on, namely what the top crafters/eternal stockpilers will do after the change but i'm still convinced on my main point.
in a world with eternals but no mirrors nobody will spend the amount of currency needed to craft perfect rolls 6*t1 items with no chance of getting the currency back and turn a profit selling copies. i can see people crafting items with 6 correct mods and be content of getting less than the highest tier on some of them for a much lower cost. i can also see how with new t1 mods a few items could eventually come close and even beat old mirrored items in a few aspects while being inferior in others. in a world with mirrors but no eternals the old perfect items will most likely never be matched and the current owners can still dominate the economy and keep selling dupes since mirrors keep dropping. that makes everything is carried over new temp leagues into standard pointless. regarding item trades: i don't check the forum often so don't send me PMs about the items i have for sale, just add me ingame and contact me when i'm online.
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Moar speculations pl0x
R.I.P 4.B.
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" ya exactly, it might happen day 1, it might take 1000 years, no ones even come remotely close in the last 2 years and now it just got harder, not just because of the lack of eternals, more mods were added, lower % chance of those new t1 mods and theres more mods in the pool which dilutes the chances of any given mod being struck in itself outside of their individual weightings. Then you have to hit an exact 3 stats in a row, its so many multiplicative stages of increased difficulty. Look at top end gear in the days before eternals, look at top end gear now, the difference is vast. Scrot you have 2 endgame characters, well, 1 of them just about qualifies, every bit of gear you have on your characters right now wouldnt even pay for 1/3 of a single eternal orb. Ventor has 10,000 exalted orbs in his stash, god knows how many eternals, hes been one of the top 5 crafters in this game for over 2 years. You think hes exaggerating? Hes saying exactly what I thought. Im not sure youve ever even used an eternal or an exalt, I dont put much stock in your estimations of the situation tbh, no harm intended. Given 10 years I think its still unlikely, could happen tomorrow and no one can really know the true odds but my estimation is the same as ventors, its unlikely, highly unlikely. If it happens even once then its an event that was less likely to happen than something that has never happened in 2 and a half years of this game so far. Its not even like people come close and it just never quite got there, the eternal crafted perfect gear is truly beyond. Stuff like loath bane, even if you hit exactly the same mods as a loath bane, which is virtually impossible, it would be almost impossible to ever divine it to that level. Theres another dagger out there, honor etcher, and its close, all the same mods in the same tiers and Grimster isnt even trying to better that divine roll on it, he knows its impossible. Dude dumped whatever, god knows, 4 figure exalts into crafting that dagger so it could be the number 1 dagger and AXN made the same thing at the same time and divined it just that inch better. If he could beat it dont u think he would? Hes a divine away, could happen right? Maybe the next divine is THE divine right? Anythings possible, and after all that investment hes not trying because technically possible means nothing when experience tells you that realistically it might as well be impossible. Or maybe behind closed doors he is trying, and that would be even worse because its been how long now? Over a year and hes not managed it. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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It is true that I don't know how long it will take. However, it is still some finite number, and the collapse of PoE prior to its achievement is the only thing which would prevent it. I would hesitate to use terms like "immortalized," and instead stick with more reasonable claims such as "they will be the best items for a very long time to come, unless someone is fantastically lucky."
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Jul 9, 2015, 1:14:41 PM
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It will happen eventually. I came pretty close on a ring with just a yolo exalt, and dropped almost all perfect rolls to boot.
Granted, if I picked the rolls these are probably not what I would have gone with. That evasion I'd rather stack with flat phys or an ele roll, fire res with chaos res, and that rarity probably with attack speed. Still nothing to spit at for a yolo exalt -- the ring is exceptional. Pity I won't use it on my build. Last edited by ghoulavenger#0583 on Jul 9, 2015, 3:09:19 PM
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" Right. That 1400 eva chest I had with 3 t1/t2 resists that only need life to be a good chest piece didn't get ruined when I exalted 34 thorn damage on it. That 1k eva chest I had with 40/40 fire/cold res and an open prefix and suffix didn't get ruined when I exalted 4 thorns and 22 dex on it either. The 4t1 1t2 helm i'm wearing on my summoner atm won't be ruined when I remove the mastercrafted es% on it to exalt for a higher % es roll and instead get 17 life or thorns or accuracy instead of a mod that is useful. Yep. The removal of eternals definitely promotes the use of exalted orbs to craft instead of just saving them up for the pieces that are already rolled well, even if not perfect, whether they be from drops or from someone getting lucky rolls with their exalts. Yolo exalted the fire res, life and phys damage. Yep, I definitely didn't feel like I ruined this ring when I dumped 3 exalts into it for terrible rolls and ended up with a ring that is worth less than it was worth with just the alt/aug/regal rolls I had on it and leaving 3 slots open. Yep, I spent 3 exalts AND decreased the value of my item. I feel great about it. I also feel great about exalting life regen on this shield. That was definitely a fantastic roll and well worth the exalt I spent on it. Now I get to find another 400es shield with decent resists to try again for an improvement. I could probably buy one for 15ex and then drop #16 on it. I'll feel even better when I roll 2 life regen on the next one instead of 5. Oh wait, using eternals WAS how you avoided ruining your equipment instead of wasting exalts getting crap rolls and forcing you to look for a replacement item so you can play the rng slot-machine again (probably for more cost than an eternal would've cost you to get two tries on the piece you were currently using). So now I get to yolo exalt on 15 different bases that are worth 5-10ex per in hopes of getting a nice exalt or I can save those 75 exalts and buy 2 pieces that already have the rolls I want (until people realize how hard it's going to be to get that kind of gear and start jacking their prices up to compensate). I agree with the other people who have said mirrors are what ruins the value of gear, not eternals. You absolutely don't need eternals to get a mirror-quality item (I crafted an ES helm that was 1 tier below the mirror Hubris way back in the day. I regal'd a third t1 on to it and yolo exalted 2t1s and a t2 int. The literal only difference between the hubris I spent 3ex + 1 regal and maybe a hundred alts and the mirror version was 1 tier of intelligence. I hit the rng powerball that day with those exalts, just like I hit the regal jackpot a couple weeks ago when I ended up with a +3 fire maelstrom staff with 4 open slots. That staff will turn to shit in a hurry tho with just a couple of bad exalt rolls. I sold the staff but if I would've used my exalts on it instead I definitely wouldn't have felt like I ruined it when I rolled 2-7, 42% phys damage, 7% attack speed and 4% cold damage on it, definitely not. Last edited by Wizardhawk#1415 on Jul 9, 2015, 7:24:16 PM
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