I sincerely apologize for saying desync will never be fixed

I was wrong, not surprising as im frequently wrong lol

But in this case im glad I was wrong

so if I ever told you that desync was part of the game and people should just shut up and deal with it I have to say

wow dirk must be happy now

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kussekurt wrote:

wow dirk must be happy now

yeah perhaps,

if they ever let him off probation that is....

I wouldn't apologize. You were giving good advice based on the information you had at the time. If you stop doing that, if you're really sorry you did that, then you might as well crawl under a rock and never talk to anyone again.

Pstt...it's not actualy fixed what with predictive mode still in the game.
And lockstep needs a solid conection...if it's fluctuating a lot and you have lag then you'll still rubberband but rather than teleport you just go into fast forward.

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lagwin1980 wrote:

Pstt...it's not actualy fixed what with predictive mode still in the game.
And lockstep needs a solid conection...if it's fluctuating a lot and you have lag then you'll still rubberband but rather than teleport you just go into fast forward.

Well its fixed for me

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lagwin1980 wrote:

Pstt...it's not actualy fixed what with predictive mode still in the game.
And lockstep needs a solid conection...if it's fluctuating a lot and you have lag then you'll still rubberband but rather than teleport you just go into fast forward.

That's as fixed as it gets, though. If your connection is shit your experience in every online game will suck.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I wouldn't apologize. You were giving good advice based on the information you had at the time. If you stop doing that, if you're really sorry you did that, then you might as well crawl under a rock and never talk to anyone again.

I'll agree with this, the information from Chris in that old old Desync post didn't exactly generate a lot of confidence that it would be fixed.

Everyone pretty much said - "Well it ain't getting sorted without some fundamental changes to the way the game works."

Of course, I don't think anyone was actually expecting the fundamental changes to happen :) Awesome that they did, hopefully it provides an overall better experience once fully implemented. I'm looking forward to trying it, but I doubt lockstep will be a good idea for me - my ping jumps around between 60ms - 150ms a lot thanks to NZ internet being made of number 8 wire and raisin packets.

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nait2k4 wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

I wouldn't apologize. You were giving good advice based on the information you had at the time. If you stop doing that, if you're really sorry you did that, then you might as well crawl under a rock and never talk to anyone again.

I'll agree with this, the information from Chris in that old old Desync post didn't exactly generate a lot of confidence that it would be fixed.

Everyone pretty much said - "Well it ain't getting sorted without some fundamental changes to the way the game works."

Of course, I don't think anyone was actually expecting the fundamental changes to happen :) Awesome that they did, hopefully it provides an overall better experience once fully implemented. I'm looking forward to trying it, but I doubt lockstep will be a good idea for me - my ping jumps around between 60ms - 150ms a lot thanks to NZ internet being made of number 8 wire and raisin packets.

Oh, I disgree. I feel most of the "stop complaining, there's nothing that can be done" was more about people not wanting to see complaining on the forums than "giving advice based on the information they had at the time." It's the difference, I saw, between people who loved the game but wanted it to be better (and gave feedback, or "complained"), and people who loved the game and didn't want any negative threads/complaints/feedback.

Yet here we are. If anyone hasn't realized by now, GGG has their reputation because they DO listen, and they DO something when it can be done. Rewriting the network code? No one thought it would be done, even Chris felt it was the wrong type of network model for an ARPG. But that is what complaining is for. To sway GGG's preconceived notions. To make them stop, go "wow, a LOT of people are complaining, our game has a reputation for having the worst desync, maybe we should do something drastic". And it worked.

I can't help feel this is a perfect example of why complaining works. And why trying to silence those complaints is the worst thing one can do to for the game. I for one applaud K1rage for apologizing. The real test is if he can stop posting "beating a dead horse" meme's and realize complaints work, and can bring issues to GGG attention that can lead to improvements in the game.