Why the "You need more health" paradigm is bad

@wispo

Are you aware that zone level is -1 from your character level? Are you also aware that in the current version of the game dominus doesn't give you any skill points all he does is give you a rare 66 map?

This is a classic example of risk vs reward, could you have even killed dominus with that character if you got to him? Were you planning on farming him, not not why not wait until you were a higher level?

Hell I don't even typically leave docks until I'm at least level 70, typically 74 or so if playing solo. You could if you wanted to level to 80 from docks alone, its not recommended but it isn't the worst thing if you are having problems gearing or need those extra passive points.

But I said I was done, damn me I couldn't help myself.

Other example of shitty design: "or you overlevel, or get killed". It's at least strange that in a forum of self called hardcore gamers, are found guys that first ask loud MORE DIFFICULTY and after, for facing it, they use invincibility (IC), and guys that need to be 5-10 levels above the zone to feel safe. Apart of this, oneshots (apart from super bosses like dominus, oversoul or atziri) should NOT exist.
Otherwise a player, like the mate BrainHP well said, it feels not the sense of a fair death, but it feels CHEATED

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Wispo wrote:

Other example of shitty design: "or you overlevel, or get killed". It's at least strange that in a forum of self called hardcore gamers, are found guys that first ask loud MORE DIFFICULTY and after, for facing it, they use invincibility (IC), and guys that need to be 5-10 levels above the zone to feel safe. Apart of this, oneshots (apart from super bosses like dominus, oversoul or atziri) should NOT exist.
Otherwise a player, like the mate BrainHP well said, it feels not the sense of a fair death, but it feels CHEATED

Do you still have said level 67 character, I would love to see you play the area. Can you record your gameplay of that character as well as your level 82 and share with the rest of us please?

If not o well, just trying to help.

That shadow, i repeat, i have deleted in that ragequit after that yellow roha charged me (like always, FROM OFFSCREEN, and so speedy that i couldn't react).

Record my witch? Apart that my pc nearly freezes for how much HEAVY it's this game (i must close Chrone before starting poe, figure if i can RECORD anything :( )... record for what purpose? For showing a boring gameplay of a finished char (finished, because i don't have the money to buy better ES gear) that farms repeatedly (and slooooowly, due to the fact that is entirely focused on accumulate ES) some maps just to--> pick rare--->sell rare--->obtain alts--->sell friend alts for chaos? O.o

And you can't help me, just because i can record even 10k videos without dying, and then die by some bullshit (e.g. 98 billions blue mobs that pop out of a box with 6-7 totems along) totally random
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hello all. i play in the 1m sc league. the hardest event so far except the hardcore variant of course.
i don't think stacking only life is the answer. having a well balanced charachter is the key imo.

my charachter has -60 chaos res for example. this gets me killed sometimes. just an example.

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kompaniet wrote:

hello all. i play in the 1m sc league. the hardest event so far except the hardcore variant of course.
i don't think stacking only life is the answer. having a well balanced charachter is the key imo.

my charachter has -60 chaos res for example. this gets me killed sometimes. just an example.

You are right, but the problem is that sometimes are needed all the forms of defence (physical expecially), and in my experience it's simply not possible. Millions of different defences, all useless... here is the reason of stacking life :/ This is not variety... variety morever killed by the devs themselves, with ne nerfs (eg nerf to block)

"Funny" fact: they don't want that everyone use the same strategy, but they kills defences (block, EB) so... at the end... everyone will end to use the same thing (=the only remained viable)

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You want to make this about individuals because then it is easier for you to construct a narrative where you are unequivocally correct. Since you have a long history with this game and spent a great deal of money supporting it I understand you want to defend certain things, but who are you to arbitrate worthiness?

Wispo, who admittedly is not making a good case, has just about the same chance of survival as the average player who DOES USE THE DEFENSIVE OPTIONS over the medium-term.

So defensive options are optional, but not.

Stacking every layer of defense AND HP is optional, but not.

Even if a player DOES everything he or she can INCLUDING OUTLEVELING the content by more than 10 levels there are RNG situations which will kill that character right away.

What you're saying is that if anyone disagrees with you, they aren't HC enough to have an opinion. What an elitist attitude to take. Some players reach 100 without dying so everything is fine, move along now youngsters!

I'm advocating for an ARPG with a reasonable difficulty curve and consistent mechanics. I find it telling that the majority of posts in this forum are FOR changing the difficulty mechanics towards more consistency and predictability.

I've said I'll get on the beta in a few days and check things out at your word. [Removed by Support]

Final thought: If GGG's design and balance goals are for an ARPG Roguelike with unavoidable death mechanics, let them make a dev manifesto post about it and I'll be on my merry way.

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Wispo wrote:

For a very simple reason: this game has shitty defences.

Nope. Not even true.
Acrobatics + Ondar's has been amazing for bow builds. Synergizes well with Vaal Grace.

Despite the bashing on armor, it's been effective. As far as I can tell, the forum bashing only exists because Coil and EB have been so much better. And only because people like to compare everything to the magical one-shot scenario. But outside of that armor feels really comfortable at dealing with pretty everything else.

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DeviantLightning wrote:

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Wispo wrote:

For a very simple reason: this game has shitty defences.

Nope. Not even true.
Acrobatics + Ondar's has been amazing for bow builds. Synergizes well with Vaal Grace.

Despite the bashing on armor, it's been effective. As far as I can tell, the forum bashing only exists because Coil and EB have been so much better. And only because people like to compare everything to the magical one-shot scenario. But outside of that armor feels really comfortable at dealing with pretty everything else.

Vaal grace, like flasks, it's a temporary defence. In a game where your rip can came all of a sudden out of nowhere like underground (devourers) or from offscreen (rohas, chimerals) you'll want a forever active defense, and not instead a defense that must be activated by your reflexes, when realistically it's already too late

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Other example of shitty design: "or you overlevel, or get killed". It's at least strange that in a forum of self called hardcore gamers, are found guys that first ask loud MORE DIFFICULTY and after, for facing it, they use invincibility (IC), and guys that need to be 5-10 levels above the zone to feel safe. Apart of this, oneshots (apart from super bosses like dominus, oversoul or atziri) should NOT exist.

Also not true. It's only true in the final stages of the game where you start pushing level ~80 since there are no maps that wouldn't give you an exp penalty by that point.

Prior to that I actually make it a point to be within ~3-5 levels under the zone, since pushing content into Merciless levels you faster and gets you to endgame that more quickly. Even slowing down, I wouldn't want to be more than 1-2 levels overleveled, and that only because it's simply better exp to clear zones like Docks by Merciless.