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pengant wrote:

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iamsamsara wrote:

I know that I would much rather fight elemental damage mobs than physical damage mobs, simply due to the way mitigation works in this game. The same is true for our damage output vs mobs, their ele resists mitigate a large portion of a LA, and I usually swap to RoA later on for that reason, physical damage trumps elemental damage.

I can Eat a couple of Vaal's lightning beams on merciless even with a same level character, however going into that fight without enfeeble I can barely take 2 rock falls back to back, again the PHYSICAL damage trumps the elemental. The mechanics go both ways, mitigation vs physical damage is horrendous especially at higher levels which is where those gloves are found.

Did you ever consider that maybe the rocks do 5k physical damage and the lightning beam does 3k lightning damage?

Seems like you are assuming both hit for the same amount to start with. :P

ahem,thats wrong.

the rocks do around 1.2k without any armor i tested it, and the beam does around 3.7-4k(around 550-600 at 85% resistances), the grounslam does 12k(6kphys+6kfire)

The damage is much larger on the maze map vall by the way, i havent tested the damage on that one but i know that it scales at the same rate, its likely to be just double of merc vaal.

calm down dude i didn't say those were the values did i. So how can i be wrong?

I gave an example to ask the guy if he had considered that, so he could come back and either say 'No i didn't' or 'yes i tested it'

But you did that for him, so yeah well done - players can mitigate more elemental damage from monsters. Wasn't ever going to dispute that :P

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VictorDoom wrote:

physical>elemental, dont tell people to learn the mechanics when you dont know them.

You clearly aren't playing the same game as everyone else.

Physical damage sucks unless you are converting it to elemental (or adding).

Resists? Do you even use Curses or party with someone that uses Dual/Tri curse?

Correct me if wrong, but every EK-er (myself included) use an EK that does %physical added as Fire + %physical added as Cold.

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Wishinan wrote:

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aristolholy wrote:

lol u still not understand what i mean? to get 400-600 life from 80 life u need 400-500% life% node, maybe more

and u can still get both dps and resist from ring, theres also dps mod in suffix and resist is prefix mod, that means with 2 ring u can still got 100% all resist and dps

Yes, but then again as i mentioned you will not be able to overcap res as well, its a give and take. And 400-500% life nodes is very common in ranger/marauder builds.

Just to illustrate how badly wrong you are, here's a 115 point build that only takes life nodes.

It has 497% life. It's actually pretty close to a high life RF burner build, but those are a special case since for them life nodes are damage nodes. And even such a build can't afford so many life nodes since they need at a minimum more regen.


e: 521% life build at 119 points (take Oak's 40 HP in normal). I'd accidentally taken a few regen nodes in the above build.

guys, i dont get why are you arguing about which type of dps is better/worse, both, elemental>physical, and physical>elemental are correct statements, but it all depends on build, for a one big hitter build like EK or heavy strike, physical will be better, cose armor will be almost negated, but for many small hitter build, like LA (with chain, lmp) or cyclone (with multistrike especially) elemental is far better because of armor will negate most of dmg from this small hits, so both types of damage are best, but it all depends, so why are you arguing? :P

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Coolcoollo wrote:

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VictorDoom wrote:

physical>elemental, dont tell people to learn the mechanics when you dont know them.

You clearly aren't playing the same game as everyone else.

Physical damage sucks unless you are converting it to elemental (or adding).

Resists? Do you even use Curses or party with someone that uses Dual/Tri curse?

Correct me if wrong, but every EK-er (myself included) use an EK that does %physical added as Fire + %physical added as Cold.

read the last few pages, im not going to explain the whole thing again.

And yes, added fire and hatred are made for physical builds.. they are useless for elemental builds, which is another reason why physical is better than elemental apart from the fact that it doesn't get mitigated by anything and you always do full damage, you can benefit greatly from ADF/Hatred.

A ele build can do 20k tooltip dps pretty easily, when a physical build does that dps it can destroy every single mob in the game and clear WAY faster than the ele build i assure you of that, be it melee or caster.

The only reason people think elemental is better is because of the gear, good physical gear is hard to find, while decent elemental gear drops every map.

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Also, the Gloves are a free 5L (with no added mana cost multiplier) for DW EleCleave builds using a Kaom's.

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This is not true. Mark has stated that uniques which have Gems in this item are Supported by level XX YYY also apply the Mana Cost Multiplier. However, I think you can add an actual Added Lightning Damage support in addition to the hidden one.

Also, shouldn't the whole Physical vs Elemental debate be held somewhere else? Just read through the last few pages and, even if some of it is correct, it's all worthless argumentative garbage.

that new ring goes so well with shavrones

that new ring is amazing!

Lets be honest the entire end game is about farming. Unless it for PvP these new items will be more or less unused. The end game equipments are about IIR/IIQ and chaos resist.