10 unqiues that are in need of renewal, badly

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Boem wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

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Do some research before you post, that is all i have to say.

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what irks you?

maybe that that you are wrong?

Malachai DOES NOT give you 7th link and thus DOES NOT give you MORE damage. it gives you BM gem for a serious price of giving you.. global blood magic

BM gem makes sense as a 7th link ONLY if you cannot sustain mana. and in 1.3 it takes a serious effort to NOT be able to sustain discharge on mana. one literally has to aim for that - even with volls. so there is no 7th link. it is a fallacy.

what's left is the ~50-60% spell damage. yep. true. some points worth of damage. but discharge is a crit skill and a charge skill

one can do A LOT more damage with HoT+CoH+Warlords Mark+Poachers Mark -> MORE charges (up to 6 if stars align). each one being a MORE damage stuff. WM also grants leech, PM also grants flasks. leech is nice given that build had ~3k life (? watched on a phone) and used crit multi - solid crit and vaal pact is not enough as it is close to one-shot potential. conductivity is another option, as is Assassins Mark. so many options from just one aura. and one can run more than one

but one cannot do that because this small helmet takes away all the auras/heralds for the price of being a special snowflake.

there is also problem of alternative cost - this helmet has nothing besides BM and some damage. using good helmet with like 120%+ resists frees another slot for better unique in other slot



what this build proves is that the Discharge hasnt been fixed since the day it got hastily introduced. it was abused/powerful then and it is just the same right now. malachai or not.

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sidtherat wrote:

what?????
this build works despite using this mask. sorry.. what is the benefit?
that you CANNOT use auras? (HoT+CoH, Purity of Lightning - necessary vs reflect with his avg life, Haste, Disc/Clarity/AA)? really this is a BENEFIT now?
you say that ~50spell damage (or rather 25/25) is worth loosing both heralds, AA, MoM or whatever else? sorry.. but that is trying too hard to prove your point
some say that the BM is a benefit.. so getting 50 mana per cast is a problem now? what? WHO NEEDS BM GEM for a discharge build?!

Exactly what I wanted answer... Maybe, if you insist to build Blood Magic Discharger, this mask let you save few point, but building such characters now, with current possibilities, seems like doing this only for sake of such possibility...

1) your going to have to take all the crit nodes, since this build uses volls a crit is necessary to keep the discharge rolling.
2) your using volls so your mana resource is extremely limited (couple this with the crit investment passive wise)
3) most points that are left need to go in hp + vaal pact in order to sustain vs reflect


What you are suggesting is toning down either the crit, which would severely undermine the success and viability of this build or the hp, which again has the same end-result in favor of specing mana in order to manually cast it on a mana source while using volls, hoping you don't run out of mana while you need to cast in order to leach back.

And since your going for a massive amount of crit + hp as the core of your build, spell damage/lightning damage investment is limited or non-existent. The only feasible ones are at the shadow start tree which could be used in a point efficient manner.

So yes, do your research, try out the build and then judge. This helmet is a solid low budget choice for this build since it has good synergy with volls and offers a lot of the things this build can utilize.

That is not to say, a rare could not replace it, it can and it should if you want to push up the price. but that is hardly the point of this build. It was designed to make a cost efficient mapping discharger char and it succeeds in that attempt.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

1) your going to have to take all the crit nodes, since this build uses volls a crit is necessary to keep the discharge rolling.
2) your using volls so your mana resource is extremely limited (couple this with the crit investment passive wise)
3) most points that are left need to go in hp + vaal pact in order to sustain vs reflect


What you are suggesting is toning down either the crit, which would severely undermine the success and viability of this build or the hp, which again has the same end-result in favor of specing mana in order to manually cast it on a mana source while using volls, hoping you don't run out of mana while you need to cast in order to leach back.

And since your going for a massive amount of crit + hp as the core of your build, spell damage/lightning damage investment is limited or non-existent. The only feasible ones are at the shadow start tree which could be used in a point efficient manner.

So yes, do your research, try out the build and then judge. This helmet is a solid low budget choice for this build since it has good synergy with volls and offers a lot of the things this build can utilize.

That is not to say, a rare could not replace it, it can and it should if you want to push up the price. but that is hardly the point of this build. It was designed to make a cost efficient mapping discharger char and it succeeds in that attempt.

Peace,

-Boem-

Erm, I run a HP based, self cast discharger, with 4.5k life, VP, voll's, EB, lvl18 AA, 4 auras, max crit & still have 350 mana left over.

Edit: Oh, and she is Witch.

^And how much did it cost?

Ghudda's project is around 50 chaos worth for example.

Like i said in the post before, a rare should be better, but when it comes to cost efficiency this is a solid helmet to get the job done on a budget.

This thread is about the viability of unique's, i am simply saying malachai serves a purpose and still does. I used it in several lightning specs to alleviate 6-link mana cost before i got to end-game etc, it's wonderful with a tabula cost associated to your gems.

I simply disagree with the fact it is vendor trash and has no purpose anymore.

Peace,

-Boem-

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Boem wrote:

I simply disagree with the fact it is vendor trash and has no purpose anymore.

That statement doesn't have much weight when applied to a specific item anyway, we could say that 80% uniques are vendor fodder unless you got some idea for them.

So I don't really have a bone to pick with most uniques mentioned here, most of them have a use at least as levelling items which is perfectly fine. What I don't like are uniques that nobody would ever consider using and those exist in two kinds:

1. Uniques with too high drawbacks and little to show for it, like Veil of the Night or Maligaro's Lens, Marylene being a border case now.

2. Uniques that fail the intended purpose, like Crown of Thorns. It's a low level item intended for an endgame build, a low life STR caster that can't reach Pain Attunement. Patching in some more ES didn't improve it one bit, they gave the item exactly the one thing it didn't need.

Hyrri's Ire, however, probably has a reason for being designed like that. If we assume Hyrri was a female mara it would make sense for the item to provide acrobatics as she wouldn't be likely to have it and the unique also provides dexterity to help her wear it, which would be strange if it was designed for a ranger as she has it aplenty. So, if we assume the item is a chest designed for a marauder archer it makes tons of sense.

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Boem wrote:

^And how much did it cost?

100% self found

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lethal_papercut wrote:

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Boem wrote:

^And how much did it cost?

100% self found

Are you showing off or deliberately missing the point?

Congratz on the gear, you can easily do a search for those value's on items to get a sense of how much your build is worth and could have written that.

Simply put, that's not a budget investment you made.

Peace,

-Boem-

something i always wanted to see was:

high crit chance/multiplier boost
on crit can no longer crit for "x" secs

may be they could take that route for MarylenesFallacy

@raics: I feel you're missing a point so obviious it's almost painful... I mean, it's right there, in front of you, in your own post...

If you pair Maligaro's Lens with Veil of Night, Mali's has no drawback! Not to mention, that particular combo really pushes Mali's last mod to its limits. Couple those with Lochtonial Caress for conduit, and socket Cast on Death + Portal + Discharge, and you're talking borderline OP. Like, Ghudda OP.

;D