Might be time to start on POE2 and forget future acts. Real talk

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goetzjam wrote:

Saying 1 item is op, when it is in fact the supporting gear not the one item is silly.

Further discussion with @ancalagon3000 is pretty pointless, hes similar to johnkeys with his 1 line responses.

I've proven time and time again that the chain of brokenness originates from mjolner and its mods / interaction with LS / MS + gmp. I compared the situation to the kinetic blast bug that was fixed, and asked why there is such a double standard, I gave you a detailed explanation multiple times of the 'chain' of events that originates from mjolner and makes a build get physical immunity and 100 resists with perma flasks up. Your supporting gear argument is laughable as that is a no brainer.

You keep switching your standpoint, in one post you say its the supporting gear, the next you say its lowlife. Then when that doesnt work, you spout out something about the leagues or say mjolner shouldnt be looked into because only some people have it, or say uber atziri shouldnt be considered in balance equations. It's as if you dont know I only used uber atziri as an example because it is the hardest content in the game. Mjolner is just as broken if you play it in bloodlines as much as in standard, and if you play it in a 66 map as much as in the alluring abyss. You keep deviating and taking different routes every time. I am tired of going in circles with you. You make no sense, you cant get a grip in your 'argument' and you have yet to give me a single example of how you would fix this problem that you attribute to other factors. When a build can facetank everything in the game and give zero fucks, taking zero dmg from 60k hits, and invest in no dmg nodes or affixes on its gear and still output obscene dps, while other builds have to struggle with this game's shitty defenses like armor and evasion, and take defensive and offensive nodes and still not even come remotely close to mjolner users, you know its broken. What would you do about lowlife, or change in the supporting gear, without phasing them out or making them useless? You need to answer this if you want credibility. WHen I gave multiple suggestions about how to alter mjolner and its interactions, you conveniently ignored them and offered no counter. Same with crit, I provide alternative suggestions, all you blurt out is 'crit is fine' or 'because reflect'. There is nothing else left to debate with when you can't even be a man and hold your own or give me something to work with. We will not see eye to eye, and it's pointless to debate anything with someone who cannot back up his stuff and uses shitty logic.

Secondly, what kind of human being doesn't like johnkeys? That guy is cooler than koolaid.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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Gemdraco wrote:

There's a problem with your logic. Your premises seem to be:

1) PoE isn't P2W
2) PoE has RMT
3) RMT is P2W from a third party
4) RMT is illegal

You have contradicting premises hence your logic is flawed. The fact of the matter is P2W does exist here and whether it destroys the spirit of the game or not is irrelevant. It exists. Period.

We are not going to meet eye to eye with this subject. Believe what you want.

We can agree to disagree. That's fine. I also appreciate that GGG does not openly support a P2W philosophy. You can play PoE without buying anything (via real money). You can even play it without trading if you choose to do so (with great challenge, of course). All I'm saying is I will keep an open mind to Lineage Eternal. Who knows, I might enjoy it more than PoE despite it being blatantly P2W within the structure of the game itself (assuming it is this). I want to feel the gameplay. I want to create a guild and experience the quality of a castle siege there. I want to experience raiding a big badass boss mob there. I want to experience their dynamic dungeon creation system. And their open world. All at the cost of whatever I decide to spend (perhaps as much as I have "donated" to GGG for their "non-P2W game"). After I have experienced enough of it to truly evaluate it, then I will decide which game is better at that point in time. I will continue to play PoE and EQ up to that point.

omg teh drama! can't you just leave in silence?

or at least discuss new p2w games (preferably in off topic) and the flaws of poe in different topics?
would be great, thx

I just don't understand one thing...what do you win? Who do you win it against?

Maybe if you are competitive kind and want to be in TOP 10 of ladder, then yeah, I can see the 'winning' part, but for the majority of people that just want to have fun while playing games, whether Lineage is P2W or not makes no difference.

I for one am certainly intrigued by that gameplay, the game looks like better version of D3. If it's fun and rewarding, I'll make sure to play it.

PoE right now is fun but unrewarding. Thus I'm playing it less and less, and not spending nearly as much money on it as I used to do.

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Odoakar wrote:

I just don't understand one thing...what do you win? Who do you win it against?

Maybe if you are competitive kind and want to be in TOP 10 of ladder, then yeah, I can see the 'winning' part, but for the majority of people that just want to have fun while playing games, whether Lineage is P2W or not makes no difference.

I for one am certainly intrigued by that gameplay, the game looks like better version of D3. If it's fun and rewarding, I'll make sure to play it.

PoE right now is fun but unrewarding. Thus I'm playing it less and less, and not spending nearly as much money on it as I used to do.

This is exactly the way I feel. I'm not trying to start a fight with anybody.

I've proven time and time again that the chain of brokenness originates from mjolner and its mods / interaction with LS / MS + gmp.

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originates from mjolner

You know what else originates from mjolner, non "broken' builds that play without low life or 250+ex in gear.

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makes a build get physical immunity

Any build can do this, its simple ec/ic/id and maybe some points in tree.

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100 resists with perma flasks up.

Crit builds, with points in tree can do this, this isn't specific to mjolner.

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Your supporting gear argument is laughable as that is a no brainer.

Ok why are you so fixated on mjolner, have you never seen spectral throw or low life wander?

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You keep switching your standpoint, in one post you say its the supporting gear, the next you say its lowlife. Then when that doesnt work, you spout out something about the leagues

Well that is because i'd assume that you would know what you are talking about, I was wrong. Lets go by this step by step. It is not 1 or the other its all of these things, please keep that in mind. I am not switching standpoint, like I said its ALL of them.

Is mjolner overpowered or really strong without low life, I don't think so what about you?

If you spend 250+ ex on gear do you want the character to be powerful?

IS THIS BUILD POSSIBLE IN THE LEAGUES? No at least not for a long time or people that are incredible flippers (or rmters)

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mjolner shouldnt be looked into because only some people have it

Never said it shouldn't be looked into, simply that it isn't the root of the problem you are explaining, quite a few "op" low life builds exists, your fixation on this one really does have me intrigued. What leagues do you play in, what builds have you played, what currency have you amassed? Everyone has different thoughts based on there experience.

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or say uber atziri shouldnt be considered in balance equations.

It should be a small factor, but shouldn't change the way an item works with 9 other items including what were previously legacy only uniques that are now zana uniques.

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It's as if you dont know I only used uber atziri as an example because it is the hardest content in the game.

Again how many players do this? I am fairly sure no one in bloodlines will even do uber atziri.

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Mjolner is just as broken if you play it in bloodlines as much as in standard

So you are saying that without low life its broken. Without the 250 ex of supporting gear its so powerful it needs nerfed?

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and if you play it in a 66 map as much as in the alluring abyss.

In the context of low life yes, but in the context of everything no.

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You keep deviating and taking different routes every time. I am tired of going in circles with you. You make no sense, you cant get a grip in your 'argument' and you have yet to give me a single example of how you would fix this problem that you attribute to other factors.

Again its not circles, all of my points work together, not against each other. You solution to "fixing" this one fixated build you deem OP is to nerf an item that is accessible and interacts with other builds in a non "op" way. Can't you see how dumb that sounds?

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When a build can facetank everything in the game and give zero fucks, taking zero dmg from 60k hits, and invest in no dmg nodes or affixes on its gear and still output obscene dps, while other builds have to struggle with this game's shitty defenses like armor and evasion, and take defensive and offensive nodes and still not even come remotely close to mjolner users, you know its broken.

What 60k hits are you even talking about. Do you know almost all characters can do the ec\ic\id setup to mitigate physical damage?

I mean low life spectral throw or wander is stronger, but for some reason you can't see it. Even shatter chunk provides more utility and surviability. Google some other low life builds and come back and tell me mjolner > all others.

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What would you do about lowlife, or change in the supporting gear, without phasing them out or making them useless? You need to answer this if you want credibility.

I don't need to answer this at all in order to gain your credibility. You haven't done anything in this thread to answer this, you simply just point at 1 of many SUPER EXPENSIVE, pretty much standard only builds that shit on everything. The only thing they have in common is:



Low life enables auras, auras enable surviability AND damage, the passive change to bloodmagic really needs to have like 50% less es or 75% es so that people don't take it with low life builds. GGG could have easily made this change, instead they kept it because such a small fraction of players use it they don't deem it necessary.

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WHen I gave multiple suggestions about how to alter mjolner and its interactions, you conveniently ignored them and offered no counter.

Because it isn't the interaction of the item with that, let me show you this:



I use a life based mjolner build that is RT (without the discharge crap) and I like my AoE clear speed, but my single target is terrible for bosses. I mainly play solo so i'll just swap characters in order to do a map boss.

I honestly don't care if mjolner goes legacy (already have one) but you are suggesting changing an item for future leagues, that WONT CHANGE what people do in standard.

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Same with crit, I provide alternative suggestions, all you blurt out is 'crit is fine' or 'because reflect'. There is nothing else left to debate with when you can't even be a man and hold your own or give me something to work with. We will not see eye to eye, and it's pointless to debate anything with someone who cannot back up his stuff and uses shitty logic.

You want to copy D3's crit mechanic, I mean I can't say anything positive about it. Like i've said in other threads crit in poe is a choice, some rt builds are actually really good, why change that? Now you aren't required to get cc\cd on every piece, I don't want this game's gearing system to turn into D3s. Not saying D3 isn't a fun game, it can be, but the gearing system really does suck.

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Secondly, what kind of human being doesn't like johnkeys? That guy is cooler than koolaid.

O I really like the guy, I just don't like 1 lined responses, when I go line by line responding.

What would you do about lowlife, or change in the supporting gear, without phasing them out or making them useless? You need to answer this if you want credibility.

ANSWER THIS

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ancalagon3000 wrote:

What would you do about lowlife, or change in the supporting gear, without phasing them out or making them useless? You need to answer this if you want credibility.

ANSWER THIS

Let me quote myself from before.



What would you do, again I said before I don't need to answer this. I don't know what GGG can do to phase this out or change it, I explain why it is at the top.

I don't understand why you think this 1/4 builds need nerfed, then when I explained that its low life you suddenly need an explanation on fixing low life.

This game doesn't require you to go low life or GTFO, it doesn't require you to go crit or GTFO. I personally don't care to answer your response here your demands won't be meet by me. Read my post or don't. I personally don't have a problem with super expensive builds doing 1 million dps or whatever, especially if it doesn't happen in the leagues or at least for first couple of months.

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goetzjam wrote:

I don't need to answer this. I don't know

Thank you.