Might be time to start on POE2 and forget future acts. Real talk

I was originally planning on making this a post about desync, balance, stability, etc. Then I realized how fruitless that would be.

So I'm not going to drag this out into an endless thread but I thought I'd express my opinion about this. Because it's a feedback forum after all.

The game itself is amazing fun. Everyone, even people who have left the game, pretty much agrees with that. I hope it's making you as rich as you'd wanted.

However those same people have left because of crippling core issues that drag the game down:
Desync
Optimization/stability
Balance
Mapping system issues
Party vs solo play issues
Flaws in core game mechanics (linking, keystones, uniques, etc)
Whatever else I missed that is important

So basically, you have a situation where you can't fix one issue without complicating ten other problems. The more content gets pushed out, complexity gets larger and larger and the worse this situation will become. There simply isn't enough manpower to go around balancing, fixing, and adding new content when every patch complicates something that was released a year ago. POE is particularly vulnerable to this issue becoming systemic. It's already starting to be noticeable: stuff is being broken almost as fast as it's being added.

Which is why I think it's time to start on POE2. Bring some people on to finish up act 4 and move the main team over to producing POE2. And hopefully in the next iteration, many of these issues can be fixed before the game gets too complex. A chance to put some real solutions into a new engine.

Just my random opinion/observations. Cheers.

PoE was fortunate to benefit from D3's massive failure, but I don't think they'll be that lucky next time. If Lineage Eternal turns out to be as awesome as I expect it to be, GGG would be foolish to try to compete with it. They need to milk this fluke (and I suspect that's what they will do).

I disagree partly. POE did benefit from d3 failing hard but not because d3 was supposed to be a better game. POE is way better imo, they just keep getting dragged down by all these other issues. IMO.

yeah...no, the logic here is simple, you want the to straight up abandon PoE now to put all their development time into PoE 2, cya in 5 to 7 years time then....ohh wait, no i won't because by then the company would have died due to lack of funds because the dumped PoE

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Legatus1982 wrote:

I disagree partly. POE did benefit from d3 failing hard but not because d3 was supposed to be a better game. POE is way better imo, they just keep getting dragged down by all these other issues. IMO.

PoE is a better game than D3. It shouldn't have been. We can thank corporate greed for that. If the real Blizzard North guys had been able to finish what should have been Diablo 3, the world would've been a happier place for us gamers. GGG's innovative ideas built on top of what they knew we all love sucked us all in. We endured the host of issues you listed because we all needed a game to play. GGG was the underdog and we all rooted for them. But I don't think this will endure after Lineage Eternal launches in 2016. What they have in the works is what Chris can only dream of PoE being. I'll stick around till then. Only time will tell what happens to GGG at that point.

PoE isn't "greater" than D3.
They are different: D3 aims at providing accessible short bursts of fun. PoE aims at providing achievment fun.

Like it or not, but D3 is an excellent game at what it does. PoE too, but they both tend to fall in two extremes for my personnal taste... That's why I mostly play PoE and sometimes D3. That's also why I eagerly await stuff like Grim Dawn to get a balance between ultra casual and basement hardcore ARPG.

Regarding OP: they can't just forget about PoE and work on a sequel. PoE is an excellent testing environment with some fanbase. You just don't throw that away.

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Gemdraco wrote:

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Legatus1982 wrote:

I disagree partly. POE did benefit from d3 failing hard but not because d3 was supposed to be a better game. POE is way better imo, they just keep getting dragged down by all these other issues. IMO.

PoE is a better game than D3. It shouldn't have been. We can thank corporate greed for that. If the real Blizzard North guys had been able to finish what should have been Diablo 3, the world would've been a happier place for us gamers. GGG's innovative ideas built on top of what they knew we all love sucked us all in. We endured the host of issues you listed because we all needed a game to play. GGG was the underdog and we all rooted for them. But I don't think this will endure after Lineage Eternal launches in 2016. What they have in the works is what Chris can only dream of PoE being. I'll stick around till then. Only time will tell what happens to GGG at that point.

Lineage Eternal

This game look like crap, seem to me there is no randomization of the map.
Probably a 10hours of real gameplay P2win game that you never play again after finished.

I don t get why you think this would be better than Grim dawn. The only difference is those nice fx and big dragons.

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lolozori wrote:

Lineage Eternal

This game look like crap, seem to me there is no randomization of the map.
Probably a 10hours of real gameplay P2win game that you never play again after finished.

ROFL... okay. I'm watching the trailers and laughing my ass off reading this. It's pretty fucking far from looking like crap. More precisely, it looks like Diablo 3 on steroids but without the cheesy storyline and linear gameplay that fed us. It will combine group play and raids from what I understand so far. What you wrote here: "...10 hours of real gameplay and pay to win..." ROFL... okay, dude. If you say so.

The likelihood of them re-creating Path of Exile is not very probable, so i don't think your suggestion warrants much realism. A lot of the issues they have are because they are lacking a video engineer (or what have you for title) that can optimize the graphics and help with a lot of the issues they have. I do hope they get one sooner rather than later, but the game as is, is earning revenue, and that's something they can't overlook, not to mention that many people enjoy it despite its flaws. I'm not saying your idea/suggestion is bad, it would help everyone who plays the game, but it's not something that can be taken in realistically.

On the subject, should GGG invest in POE2?
If they can t balance this game right now after almost 2 years, I don t know if people will believe they will be able to balance POE2.