Might be time to start on POE2 and forget future acts. Real talk

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goetzjam wrote:

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Spellcaster witch - better get that CoD!

Or carcass jack or vaal regalia or good 5 link budget chest. Contrary to popular belief you don't need MoM in order to play as a spell caster.

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Melee mara/duelist - better get that Belly!

Or a good rare with super high armor or evasion or a budget 5 link.

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Melee duelist/ranger, ranged ranger - better get that LC!

The -max res paired with the adjustment of the effectiveness really does put this unique in its place. It provides 500/500 armor\ev, many chest can beat it out in res, LIFE, and armor or evasion.

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Want to play LL? Hope to god you get shavs.

Or you know the budget chest solaris lorica. Low life is such a niche build its kinda of surprising to me GGG added a budget chest to allow for more builds.
Out of all of those unique chest you mentioned only shavs\solaris lorica is required for those respective builds, the others while might be most optimal or not 100% necessary.

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Unique state in the game is laughable right now.

Your views on chest is even more laughable as I just EASILY explain why you are incorrect. But please bring in more then 1 of the 9 item slots and just call uniques in a bad place still.

First of all my dear Sir, you haven't explained anything. These are all subjective arguments. You think a Vaal regalia or a 5 link budget Chest armor is enough to do what exactly? If you want to kill a few white random zombies, yes they are enough. But some people may be targeting higher than you. They may want to farm Uber Atziri... And since Uber Atziri is also a content of this game we can not blame them for aiming this high. And for sure that arbitrary Vaal Regalia is not enough to farm Uber Atziri. You need best of best items in every slot.

Next time before generalizing please keep in mind that everyone may not be thinking like you...

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First of all my dear Sir, you haven't explained anything. These are all subjective arguments. You think a Vaal regalia or a 5 link budget Chest armor is enough to do what exactly? If you want to kill a few white random zombies, yes they are enough. But some people may be targeting higher than you. They may want to farm Uber Atziri... And since Uber Atziri is also a content of this game we can not blame them for aiming this high. And for sure that arbitrary Vaal Regalia is not enough to farm Uber Atziri. You need best of best items in every slot.

As far as goal only a handful of builds can actually do uber atzri or at least do it reliably enough to farm her. So judging on the fact that uber atziri takes around 9ex PER run, most budget builds and the average player won't run her. But please try to make the "goal" of each and every build be uber atzri in your generalizations. As far as best of the best comparison that is just silly, if there truly was a best unique chest for farming uber atziri why do people use other chest? And like I said if they have the sets to farm or do, they typically aren't struggling for money and can afford a 6 link cod or whatever instead of a really good saintly.

I have explain that those builds don't require those uniques, while they may be BiS, that is 4-5 different chest, instead of always 1, which is great IMO. In regards to a 5 link vs one of the unique chest being linked I think tha majority of players would rather play with the 5 link vs a unqiue that isn't linked.

The unique items always have something a rare can't provide (hence why they are called uniques), but rares ALWAYS have something uniques can't provide as well. Weather that be higher life, res, armor or evasion. And we are only talking about chest here.

Simply stating unqiues are a joke and listing 4-5 builds that naturally have something that would want a unique in that slot instead of a rare.

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Next time before generalizing please keep in mind that everyone may not be thinking like you...

This is so funny because this is exactly what you did when you "broke" down the uniques for those specific builds.

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ilenoc wrote:

Spoiler

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goetzjam wrote:

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Spellcaster witch - better get that CoD!

Or carcass jack or vaal regalia or good 5 link budget chest. Contrary to popular belief you don't need MoM in order to play as a spell caster.

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Melee mara/duelist - better get that Belly!

Or a good rare with super high armor or evasion or a budget 5 link.

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Melee duelist/ranger, ranged ranger - better get that LC!

The -max res paired with the adjustment of the effectiveness really does put this unique in its place. It provides 500/500 armor\ev, many chest can beat it out in res, LIFE, and armor or evasion.

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Want to play LL? Hope to god you get shavs.

Or you know the budget chest solaris lorica. Low life is such a niche build its kinda of surprising to me GGG added a budget chest to allow for more builds.
Out of all of those unique chest you mentioned only shavs\solaris lorica is required for those respective builds, the others while might be most optimal or not 100% necessary.

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Unique state in the game is laughable right now.

Your views on chest is even more laughable as I just EASILY explain why you are incorrect. But please bring in more then 1 of the 9 item slots and just call uniques in a bad place still.

First of all my dear Sir, you haven't explained anything.

These are all subjective arguments. You think a Vaal regalia or a 5 link budget Chest armor is enough to do what exactly? If you want to kill a few white random zombies, yes they are enough. But some people may be targeting higher than you.

Spoiler

They may want to farm Uber Atziri... And since Uber Atziri is also a content of this game we can not blame them for aiming this high. And for sure that arbitrary Vaal Regalia is not enough to farm Uber Atziri. You need best of best items in every slot.

Next time before generalizing please keep in mind that everyone may not be thinking like you...

Ooooooh. This is very clever. My favorite part was when you said that Uber is content too, thereby suggesting that the only other content is the content listed contrary of your argument. White zombies.

My counter argument to your elegant wordsmithing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-IPdh6VCc

lol @ canhaspants

Yeah some people :/

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CanHasPants wrote:

This is very clever. My favorite part was when you said that Uber is content too, thereby suggesting that the only other content is the content listed contrary of your argument. White zombies.

I am sure that you understand what I mean here. Some people may put his target to kill the zombie laying next to you at the beginning of the game. Some people may target normal difficulty Dominus, some target 72-73 maps and some Uber Atziri farming. Is it more clear now? Or do you want me to put every other possible scenario?

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CanHasPants wrote:

My counter argument to your elegant wordsmithing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-IPdh6VCc

Spoiler

I can read between the lines. Can you?

Thanks for finding my "wordsmithing" elegant. But I can't say the same thing for you. I have no idea what you mean in both of your posts under this thread. Sorry...

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goetzjam wrote:

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Next time before generalizing please keep in mind that everyone may not be thinking like you...

This is so funny because this is exactly what you did when you "broke" down the uniques for those specific builds.

Sir you totally got me wrong. Let me explain you this way:

1. Some guy told that he believes there are some BiS Unique items in game like CoD or LC etc... And he feels like he is bound to use these items.
2. You told him that no those items are not necessary. He can play with a 5 link or a Vaal Regalia.
3. I asked you : How do you know that a Vaal regalia or a 5 link is enough for him? May be his character needs more. May be his targets are higher than yours. How can you say that a 5 link is enough for everyone?

I believe I made it more clear now.

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1. Some guy told that he believes there are some BiS Unique items in game like CoD or LC etc... And he feels like he is bound to use these items.

I don't think you are using BiS correctly here as you are mentioning 3-5 chest (chest pieces are same slot) Just because he can percieve these unique chest as a must doesn't mean they are as many builds (go to class forum and checkout builds for yourself) don't use those unqiue chest but rather 5-6 link rares

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2. You told him that no those items are not necessary. He can play with a 5 link or a Vaal Regalia.

I can tell him that because I have seen non unique chest be used during endgame, but even if you do "deem" these unique chest as a must that is one slot out of 9, you still haven't proved or brought any effort into supporting your statement that unqiues in this game are in a terrible state.

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3. I asked you : How do you know that a Vaal regalia or a 5 link is enough for him? May be his character needs more. May be his targets are higher than yours. How can you say that a 5 link is enough for everyone?

This isn't about target, we cant begin to guess what the majority of players goals are. But in general, if they are playing a caster they don't need cod, if they are a ranger of some sort they don't need LC, if they are melee they don't need belly, these are just uniques that are very common for those builds, but not necessary to do THE SAME content.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

All games are pay to win. Some just let you use RM.

This is pretty much true. Even PoE is riddled with P2W in spite of GGG claiming it's not thanks to RMT websites.

No I mean you pay with time. No matter what you have to pay.

It's just a question of how. Some people grind, some ppl trade and flip, some use RM - all to "win". I don't pass judgements on any style just stating fact. Ultimately all styles are an exchange of your time for "winning" even RM since you had to earn RM with time.

Yeah, that's also a reasonable point. Being directly P2W with real money won't stop me from trying Lineage Eternal. The gameplay looks too good to pass up. It won't cost me anything but my time to feel it out when open beta rolls around. Until then, this is all just talk. But it looks pretty damn nice so far. The formation of guilds and castle siege raids greatly appeal to me. Of course, if it's flat-out P2W, the rich guys will rule these raids but it still sounds fun to me. It looks like there will also be some big badass bosses to raid with your guild. To me, this is having fun end-game content.

P.S - I greatly regret the "donations" in real money I made to GGG now. Many of us spent money in more innocent ways while some of us directly paid to win in PoE. I think I'd rather have unhidden P2W in return for an amazing game to play.