Do you guys ever get tired of spamming one or two skills?

It's a good criticism, I do get tired of spamming the same skill all the time. It's why I made a bunch of characters that all use different skills so when I get tired of one I can switch to another.

It is caused by both the gem system and the passives. I level more complaint against the role of passives in this problem, though. There should be skills that don't have passive investment so they can be used as secondary skills, and indeed, there used to be skills like that in PoE. Now that Chaos Damage, Auras, and everything else have passive supports there is no room for uninvested support skills. GGG killed them. At least with gem sockets support skills were never a feature that we had and then lost, from a mechanical min-max perspective. GGG has actually found some creative solutions with trigger gems to create new options; they're not taking our options away like they did with passives.

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CharanJaydemyr wrote:

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Aim_Deep wrote:

no free respects.

There's the problem right there, expecting free respect.

...Seriously, though, don't pretend that the majority of this game isn't played in town. That's where you decide if the game will be 'spamming or two skills' or engaging on a tactical level by using a combination of skills/gear that are probably sub-optimal but a lot of fun. Some of my builds do spam one or two skills, but that's the result of a lot of planning and theorising. That's very rewarding for me, so in those cases, I do not get tired of spamming one or two skills.

What I'd get tired of is spamming one or two skills in a way and supported by gear I'd copied from someone else because that way and gear obliterated end-game content.

Path of least resistance. I get that.

Rise above it. If you can. GGG made the huge mistake of expecting players to play this game their own way, of finding their own path.

Well, shit, THAT went well. Build of the Week went from creative ways of handling Cruel and early Merciless to, oh, hey, so THIS build destroys Atziri, so we'll just pretend that none of you know about it despite the fact that every bugger streaming on Twitch has done it before.

I make my own builds or did you miss my sig? Granted when I first came here i didnt so I could learn basic mechanics/skills etc of game without failing. Its too risky to fail due to no respecing forcing players not to experiment and they play cookie cuttters your complain about.:)

Cant have it both ways. Your elitism about locking people into choices and not expect them to copy.

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

It's a good criticism, I do get tired of spamming the same skill all the time. It's why I made a bunch of characters that all use different skills so when I get tired of one I can switch to another.

It is caused by both the gem system and the passives. I level more complaint against the role of passives in this problem, though. There should be skills that don't have passive investment so they can be used as secondary skills, and indeed, there used to be skills like that in PoE. Now that Chaos Damage, Auras, and everything else have passive supports there is no room for uninvested support skills. GGG killed them. At least with gem sockets support skills were never a feature that we had and then lost, from a mechanical min-max perspective. GGG has actually found some creative solutions with trigger gems to create new options; they're not taking our options away like they did with passives.

It would be cool if they had some gems that coulnt be supported maybe. So like you put six of those in chest and can be unlinked who care. But for build to function well, all six u had to spam maybe. I dont know how this could work exactly. But current scheme is all about one skill with max supports which are invisible to you but pushing the same one button.

Another problem is skills all use a cast/attack turn. So even if you had 3 linked attack setups you are gonna go with most DPS one. No incentive to rotate though them. Beyond something like a multi elementalist trapper.

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Aim_Deep wrote:

Well I havnt studied game long enough to notice faux diversity Mr. Pants.

Diversity is one huge reason I love this game compared to D3. Like I forgot to mention everyone played those two builds of thier respective classes back in the day.

Today every wiz plays double fire hyrda of all things.

By comparison I can think of at least 30 solid builds in Witch forums.

So I'm not on board with that sentiment.

I do wish we had more spamming synergies though. I like the twichy gaming aspect of that.

Ahhaha XD I meant to write faux-complexity. Not diversity...

But at any rate, there's nothing particularly wrong with having more buttons to press, but that's all I really think of it. They're just buttons. I certainly would enjoy a more twitch-tactical game, but tactics aren't really an aRPG thing, at least not mid action.. It's more cRPG. Anything that can cause split second decision making can be distilled down to preplanning, ergo my comparison to a mindless automaton.

It's kind of difficult to explain what I'm thinking, because I guarantee you, people will read into the wrong sentiment. That said, aRPG don't really have a lot going for them gameplay-wise, relating to split second decision making. The very nature of action means that the player won't be overwhelmed with too much game-changing variety, because it all goes back towards preplanning. The actual aRPG game execution is, by large, rather pointless... Yet at the same time, it's everything, because it is the metric towards which all that distilled preplanning is competed by. But still pointless, because action's nature is still always trumped by preplanning and subsequent mindless execution.

And that's where diversity does come into play. PoE provides leagues more diversity than any other game I've played, specifically because its resources are so scarce. Because there are so few sockets to put to use, and every decision has a cost which means work, and active skill gems define a build almost more than its tree does, we have a meta-meta where you'll only be spamming 1-2 skills. It'd be nice to have a reason to put, e.g., cleave and leap slam in the same 5L with three supports, but that's just not the game that PoE is... and the reason is diversity.

I think a lot of good builds have a mix of auras, movement skills, a primary attack, and a secondary attack. Playing minion master can be quite engaging, believe it or not. You have to be managing your bone or flesh offering skills at all times, vaal haste and SRS as well as desecrate and convocation can keep you quite busy.

There are builds out there that require the use of more than one skill. I think the reason why so many people gravitate towards the one skill build is because it seems appealing in a min/max sort of way. It seems simple to just put all of your stats specced into one kind of skill, but then you suffer for that late game with fatigue.

I guess, TLDR is "you're doing it wrong. BUT so are a lot of other people. Just try out new, creative builds."

Best of luck!

^ While I have yet to really play a summoner due to lack of IM (Punishment falls short by a mile), I laud PoE For what its done for summoners. Ignoring the SRS nonsense, GGG singlehandedly expanded the would-be passive play style into a resource rich active gig, and set the bar higher for the whole genre. Lacking IM, I'm still waiting for Summon Nature Ally before I roll a "summoner" but in the interim what they've done for summoners is incredible.

Yes, I do get tired of spamming one skill over and over. The main problem to the core gameplay of POE in my opinion

Considering you can only get 1 6-link (or 2 for some builds), I can see why people mostly stick to maining 1-2 skills.

Either make all items have 4-link or 6-link max, that should open more variety.

Nope, i don't.