Cherrubim's Maleficence

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torturo wrote:

Sadly leech doesn't apply to dot, so PA and probably VS are out.

You've got the mechanics backward. Both the leech and the DoT come from the attack damage, of which Viper Strike converts the physical to 10% additional Chaos attack damage, which is further boosted by any Increased Chaos Damage. The DoT rate of each Chaos damage charge is scaled by the total amount of hit damage, and that rate is further boosted by any Increased Chaos Damage or Increased DoT nodes. Since the Chaos damage charges stack without limit, you'll want high APS to deliver them ASAP, and high damage per hit to pump up their DoT rates. Aside from that, it's like any other high-dps/aps melee build.

Viper Strike probably benefits from this the most, as it affects the hit damage, and the DoT. For other Chaos users, it's often better to use Carcass Jack, Cloak of Defiance, or a Lightning Coil.

On beyond i got to lvl57 with my first ever hardcore char using: vipertstike(msplash)+life+highblock+eva , now on bloodlines i'll try it again, planning to get this chest, seems purrfect.
That +30% ll rate must be a huge boost as i always felt big difference between using a non-Q and 20-Q lifeleech gem. Combined its 50%, seems good.

btw more info must be here, i'm lazy to read :
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/997388/page/1

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johnKeys wrote:

it's level 69 which means either it is a huge upgrade to an existing VS build who made it to this level, or it's not.

is it?

+20% damage on a viper charge? Shadow-Scion+Shadow already gets 150% increased. So it's +8% damage to your Damage Over Time component of your damage. Which is at least over half of your damage source. Being very generous we'll say it increases your net damage by 6%.

Which is basically nothing. At best this affix would be slightly relevant if you were using a sword scion that took Method to the Madness but not Entropy and Corruption, or a sword guy nowhere near a increased DoT% node. [1] Such a character could put the large sum of evasion to use by taking Iron Reflexes, at least.

The only thing really good about the unique at all is the +leech rate.


[1] Man, really boned the green zone didn't they? I always argued it should be centered to Shadow-Ranger since dex gets basically none of the ability pie. But, alas, the powers that be have deemed that its Blue-aligned because blue gets everything.

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RogueMage wrote:

Since the Chaos damage charges stack without limit, you'll want high APS to deliver them ASAP

Unless you have heavy flat damage sources, Viper Strike's dps is no better or worse due to base weapon attack speed alone.

...You know what? I think it's better off if you just ignore the Chaos Damage mod. focus on the leech rate.

But.. what do you guys think of leech rate, anyways? in my previous post I mentioned that more than a third of your life can be leeched per second. to be exact:

30% from chest +
20% from an Q Leech gem +
40% from a max roll vorici item =
90% increased leech rate, or 20%*1.9 = 38% life leech cap.


but is it really worth it?

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LimitedRooster wrote:

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RogueMage wrote:

Since the Chaos damage charges stack without limit, you'll want high APS to deliver them ASAP

Unless you have heavy flat damage sources, Viper Strike's dps is no better or worse due to base weapon attack speed alone.

Viper Strike was overhauled with Patch 1.2 to have 50% chance for each hit to proc a Chaos DoT charge. Since the charges stack without limit, the quicker you can proc charges, the higher the accumulated Chaos DoT rate will climb.

Should be conversion of physical damage to chaos damage. Not increased chaos damage.

Would be a seriously solid sync with Resolute technique builds.

No reason to use it over lightning coil.

How about Cherrubims, Snakebite, Ming's Heart and Posion arrow build?

Multiple sources of chaos that will all get increased and shitload of extra dmg conversion on top of phys dmg. Entropy chaos and dot nodes are all near anyways, get like shitload of pierce and perma dot everything you hit :S use blood rage for phys leech and cuz of ming it will deal little dmg, maybe even Blood dance to counter degen with life regen. :S

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pneuma wrote:

Voltaxic for sure. The life leech rate is a bit wasted since Voltaxic is immune to reflect, but it's nice to have.

Alongside Atziri's flasks on any build.

Poison Arrow and Viper Strike minorly.

Leech isnt always used to counter reflect, it's also very good if you dont have any healthregen or such