What solo mapping from 95-96 looks like

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JVIRUS wrote:

Yes, they are cartographers boxes I found in a palace map, and on a shipyard's zana mission. Chaos spammed until +2/3 additional maps + mirrored , then corruptedm one party member with me. They are rare, but for those wishing to level after 95 they are invaluable.


Most of my currency is in Exalt, Eternal, or Divine orbs, and I rarely do the chaos recipe, so I do not have many chaos lying around. After finding a 77 cartographers box without enough chaos to properly spam it...I always have 30-90 sitting around that I leave for ONLY this purpose.

How often are you finding carto boxes? I only found one in 200 maps :(

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tackle70 wrote:

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Krayken wrote:

Last night i made 2 ex out of 6-7 maps yeah. RNG is RNG you know. RNG seems to be on my side tonight as well. You mad bro?

How about my 210 ex profit versus your deficit profit? Which one of us has the best way to roll maps exactly?

Your ego is so huge that you can't even admit when you're wrong. You can keep replying and digging that whole you are sinking in.

lol... you're hilarious
> you made 210 ex since FM dropped by mapping
> you make 1-1.5 ex per 10 maps
> however, you did not run 1400-2100 maps since FM dropped
> but that's OK because you just made 2 exalts running 6 maps
> but actually that's just good RNG

and around and around the BS wheel goes. I can only wonder what it will spin to next!

The bottom line is that your stated profit level (210 ex) does not match your stated income rate (0.1 - 0.15 ex per map) given your stated amount of maps run (700-800 ish). Those numbers aren't even close. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm allergic to bullshit.

What exactly am I wrong about? You can't even get your own story straight.

You are trying wayyyy too hard to prove me wrong, my son. That 1.5 ex every 10 maps a guesstimate. Do I waste my time calculating profit every times I run a map? No. Not sure why you're so focused on that.

Fact is let's say I didn't make 210 exalts in the past 2.5 months (which I really did but you seem to think its ABSLOLUUUUUUTELY IMPOSSIBLE because you're just plain fucking bad at the game). So let's say i just made half that amount (105 exalts). Well guess what? That would still be infinitely more profit than your deficit. Because thats what you admitted while running your maps with your "oh so damn good and best way to roll maps" : you ended up with a deficit. Then you cried and threatened to quit the game and whatnot.

That being said, here is why you are wrong :

The whole debate started when you claimed that ALT + Regal + Onslaught was a better way to roll maps than my way (Alch/Chaos). But... you went bankrupt using your way while i made 210 ex profit. So that's why you are WRONG : Your way of rolling map absolutely SUCKS. Get it now? Thats the whole thing we were arguing about but you somehow tried to argue about my 210 ex profit and called me a liar and no lifer. Stop acting like a child, man up and just admit you are wrong you egocentric newb.

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Krayken wrote:

You are trying wayyyy too hard to prove me wrong, my son. That 1.5 ex every 10 maps a guesstimate. Do I waste my time calculating profit every times I run a map? No. Not sure why you're so focused on that.

Profit level is the primary grounds for your argument that your way to roll maps is superior, so it's sort of the central point of discussion. And the big problem with it is that your own posts don't allow for the numbers to add up; see below for why.

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Krayken wrote:

[105 exalts] would still be infinitely more profit than your deficit.

Read.The.Thread. I'll even help you out since reading seems so difficult for you. This is from the OP & page 2 of the thread:

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tackle70 wrote:

I try and save shop income for item upgrades (I was saving for level 21 gems), and rely only on my map income (alt/jew/fuse, chroms, regal recipe) to roll my maps. At times I had to use shop income to buy chisels or chaos to roll maps but this was uncommon (I only did it when I was sick of 75/76 maps).
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I did trade maps up to 74 and sell those, also made a couple bulk 75 sales, but I treated that as shop income and put towards the purchase of my 21/20 gems. You are correct that if I was dumping that expense back into maps, I could have run more 77/78 maps and fewer 75/76.

Over about 350 maps (from 94-96), I made ~50 ex to buy 21/20 arc, discharge and 21/0 discipline. Most of that was from selling maps. That doesn't really sound like a "deficit" to me. About 32 exalts of that was made over the 209 maps for 95-96.

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Krayken wrote:

The whole debate started when you claimed that ALT + Regal + Onslaught was a better way to roll maps than my way (Alch/Chaos).

It is better for map drops, which is what matters IMO. I have yet to run out of 77 maps, something which was never true for me back when I was using the alch/chaos method (and not spending tons of chaos to get perfect rolls). It's worth repeating that it's mathematically superior for map drops. The point at issue is not if it's a better way to roll maps (since the only better way to roll maps is to alch/chaos for 80%+iiq and a pack mod/add onslaught), but rather if it's worth the extra cost or not. And you're not providing any reliable numbers for comparison on that point, so no, I don't believe you that your method is "better" in that metric.

It also yielded me a net income rate of roughly 0.14 ex per map, which is in line with your income "guesstimate".

And sorry, but the first statement in this thread about which method is "better" is not from me:

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Krayken wrote:

And sorry but Alch / Chaos is far better than alts map pack / regals.

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Krayken wrote:

But... you went bankrupt using your way

50 ex of profit to buy items is "bankrupt"? OK then.

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Krayken wrote:

while i made 210 ex profit.

I do not necessarily disbelieve that you made this amount of income, but you have provided no way to make sense of this number since you deny putting in the expected playtime to get it.

Let me put that 210 ex number in perspective for you and why it absolutely REEKS of either BS, lots more playtime, or WAY better luck than I've had:

Assume I paid NOTHING to roll the maps in the OP. That adds about 27 exalts of profit to the runs. So that means that in about 200 maps, I would have made ~60 exalts of profit. At that rate, it would take around 700 maps to expect to get 210 ex of income. This would line up the numbers you provided for # of maps run and total profit since 1.2, but it assumes spending ZERO on map rolls, which you aren't doing. You're spending - absolute best case - an average of 2 chaos per map [chisel+alch], which means you likely had to run close to 900-1000 maps to get that amount of income. If you were spending a more realistic ~4 chaos per map [chisel+alch+chaos on really bad rolls], that puts the expected maps at about 1200 maps to get to 210 ex, and you deny playing that much.

Now, I've stated that I have tried - and not had any luck - sustaining anything more than 75+ on such a low level (~2 chaos/map) of currency investment. So I'm inclined to think you're either lying about your map pool or your currency investment, or you're just a lot luckier than I am with drops.

The only possible scenarios that the math permits, based on YOUR posts are:
1) You're lying
2) You have been very lucky with map drops & income
3) You have played at least 2-4x more than I have in the same time period

The 4th scenario that is possible, but which you've not given any indication of, is that you have a good amount of MF on your gear while you're mapping, which would enable #2 to be more plausible than #1/#3.


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Just for fun, also note this from my post on page 2, before you said anything about your "method":

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tackle70 wrote:

I think the only way it may be possible to lessen the expense while maintaining pool sustainability would be to chisel/alch/run all maps 75+ and not worry about your map mods except maybe to drop a chaos on -max maps. I'm just not convinced that will enable you to get many 77/78 drops, but if it did, it would almost certainly be a much cheaper method and could cut costs in half. I just worry that would stick you running mostly 74-76 maps

I admitted the possibility that this might be a better way to do maps before you even mentioned it. And I've stated my doubts several times that at 8c, I'm not sure the Onslaught mod is worth it.

There's no egomania going on here, I'm just very allergic to bullshit. And your posts have me sneezing like crazy.

Ok... so you made 50 ex in 350 maps but you called me a liar when i said I earned 210 exalts over 2.5 months, at 10 maps a week days, 20 maps on weekend days (roughly 90 maps a week)?

Lets see : 90 maps a week * 11 weeks = 990 maps. If i made profit at the same rate as you did (50ex / 350 maps = 0.15 exalts per maps), that would mean 148 exalts. Now, factor in the fact i spent much, much less currency to craft my maps as you did, its pretty easy to understand how I made that 210 exalts. But somehow I am a liar, right?

And I will reiterate that alt + regal is inferior to alch/chaos to maintain a map pool because I could spend just as much currency as you (about to 11 chaos per maps) and use onslaught to get over 120% IQ every maps.

4 chisel + 1 alch per maps
At worst, 1 time out of 3, I add another chaos to reroll

This is about the same cost as using alts for a pack size + regal, except i don't need to add an additional 8 chaos to maintain my map pool.

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Krayken wrote:

And I will reiterate that alt + regal is inferior to alch/chaos to maintain a map pool

Chis/alt/regal/onslaught is mathematically superior for map drops to chis/alch/chaos. We've been through this - it isn't a point up for debate, it's simple math. You have to chis/alch/chaos for 80% IIQ + pack mod/onslaught to do better than chis/alt/regal/onslaught for your map pool, and that's a heck of a lot more expensive.

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Krayken wrote:

Lets see : 90 maps a week * 11 weeks = 990 maps. If i made profit at the same rate as you did (50ex / 350 maps = 0.15 exalts per maps), that would mean 148 exalts. Now, factor in the fact i spent much, much less currency to craft my maps as you did, its pretty easy to understand how I made that 210 exalts.

Yes, as I said, ~1000 maps at that level of expense makes sense for 210 ex. Problem is that from my experience, I don't believe that level of expense gets you any better than constant 75+.

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But somehow I am a liar, right?

Reading, try it sometime:

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tackle70 wrote:

The only possible scenarios that the math permits, based on YOUR posts are:
1) You're lying
2) You have been very lucky with map drops & income
3) You have played at least 2-4x more than I have in the same time period

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Krayken wrote:

This is about the same cost as using alts for a pack size + regal, except i don't need to add an additional 8 chaos to maintain my map pool.

Sorry, I simply do not believe you that you are sustaining 77+ with chis/alch/go. Everything in my experience mapping indicates that level of expense is only good enough to keep you consistently in 75+.

Now in point of fact, you could argue that there's no use having a steady pool of 77-78 maps if you have to run lots of 75-76 maps to get the currency to run 77-78s, since that can be equivalent to just running out of 77+ anyways. However, I don't like running out of 77-78s, since that puts you entirely at the mercy of RNG for getting back into them. An extra average expense of ~2 chaos per map is worth it for the added consistency in your map pool IMO.

And again this is all from my time running the SIX chaos onslaught mod and I think that the EIGHT chaos onslaught mod probably makes it too expensive to be worth it. Not sure how many times I'm going to have to type that out before you finally get it... seriously dude, read.

I said i can sustain lvl 77 with an occasionnal lvl 76 every now and then. Funny how you went from "you are a liar" to "210 ex is definitely possible"

I don't get "The extra expense of ~2 chaos per map is worth it for the added consistency in your map pool." Because Zana's onslaught is 8 chaos. Where do you get that 2 chaos from?

At least we are slowwwwly starting to agree on some points.

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Krayken wrote:

I said i can sustain lvl 77 with an occasionnal lvl 76 every now and then. Funny how you went from "you are a liar" to "210 ex is definitely possible"

I don't get "The extra expense of ~2 chaos per map is worth it for the added consistency in your map pool." Because Zana's onslaught is 8 chaos. Where do you get that 2 chaos from?

At least we are slowwwwly starting to agree on some points.

Quote me one place where I directly called you a liar, and I'll give you a cookie. It's always been one of several options explaining your posts and stated income level, and that is *NOT* the same thing. READ

I'd argue this ENTIRE exchange has occurred because you started posting before actually reading and I didn't feel like ignoring the resulting nonsense.

As for the extra 2 chaos, that's from what I spent on average over 209 maps (4.5 chaos) vs what you claim to spend (just over 2 chaos avg). Remember, I'm spending a lot less than you on 75/76 maps, and a lot more on 77/78 maps.

PSA

Jake's Secret Rich Man Method to Never Running Out of Maps




1. Have so many maps that you will never run out.
2. yep, that's it
3. Profit!



as an example, this is my backup storage page for Shrine maps (backup meaning "primary overflow from the first entirely full tab"). As you can see it's not quite full yet, so there's room for a few overflow 76s. 76s are always a mess, there's just too many to keep track of them all. Sometimes I cube a bunch up because it's too much work to make more space for the darn things.






So to reiterate, that's


1. Keep your multiple tabs each of Courtyard, Palace, Shipyard and Shrine well organized. 76 gets to be 10+ tabs so you just give up and let'em be. Leave all 74s and below on the ground except for Gorge.

2. yep, that's it!


I can certify that this method works 100% of the time. If it doesn't work perfectly for you, well you probably messed up one of the steps. (either #1 or #2)

^lmao

if only i had known about your easy 3 step method before...

THX FOR SHARING JAKE!

Peace,

-Boem-

JakeAlmighty: You write that you have all these tabs of high level maps but not how you built this map pool in the first place or how you rolled your maps.

Write better posts. That's of no help to anyone.

On rampage after i started rolling my maps with (chisel sometimes) + alch and go instead of transmute + aug and go i find more maps. I just reroll mods i don't like. Mods like temporal chains and fracture.