Garena Open Beta 1.2.0 Patchnote

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Masshypnosis1 wrote:

Thats how every ARGP works.

You play Build Nr A . This Build skyrock, its going to be fotm. everyone is playing this build A.

Nobody is playing Build B Anymore.

They are going to Nerf Build A and Buff Skill / Build B.

Next will be -> Everyone is Playing Build / Skill B and then just continue with -> this build skyrock ......-> Nerf B and Buff C and and and and.


Its now time to figure out what skill / build is broken and then start playing build / skill "D" until they nerf this then lets swap to "E" *gg*.

well it certainly is in a game where the devs dont even attempt to balance the game and rather just enjoy shifting people around from skill to skill and feeling like gods of their own little world at the expense of the players.

A 2 year old could have told you 60% was an over buff, they knew it was an overbuff and they did it anyway because they enjoy tinkering with us and our characters more than they respect our wish as the actual players to tinker and not have the rug constantly pulled from under us. It fucking pisses me off man, but Ive said enough on this already, put the beta tags back on the game and be honest with the players that we are beta testers in a never ending amateur hobby project they have going on.

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Snorkle_uk wrote:

they enjoy tinkering with us and our characters more than they respect our wish as the actual players to tinker and not have the rug constantly pulled from under us. It fucking pisses me off man, but Ive said enough on this already, put the beta tags back on the game and be honest with the players that we are beta testers in a never ending amateur hobby project they have going on.

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Angryweasel wrote:

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Saltygames wrote:

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Malone wrote:

well if you played it, you maybe noticed it was OP as shit ?
Cleaning all endgame content with Arc - Empower - Spell Echo - Lightning Pen 4L setup was maybe a good indication that GGG went too far with this skill ?

If SRS is not nerfed I suggest you to give a shot with it, it's even more powerfull.

I did level an 88 scion using arc, using a 5-link with lvl 2 empower i topped out @ around 9k dps (all other gems lvl 20). Even had a doryani's scepter. That DPS is not OP for later maps and Atziri (barely enough really).

With a lvl 4 empower and Geofri's, I'm sure you get obscene numbers. But then again; it'll cost you, like alot. It feels plain wrong to balance it around a maxlevel+2 empower, IF it means it'll make the skill unviable for the majority.

Yup, i overexaggerated a bit in my previous post, we'll se how hard the nurf goes

exactly my point as well the dps for the majority of arc players where in line with other good map specs. to nerf it because of lvl4 empower is just wrong unless they only nerf lvl22+ arc then I might understand it but again not really lvl4 empower costs a lot and needs a lot of time investment are players never allowed to really feel powerful with endgame setups?

No life based arcer ever had damage that was obscene. It was the Lowlife crit arcers pulling 70k and more, life based non-crit topped out at, what, 20k? And thats with how much currency? (lvl4 empower 60ex, 21/20 Arc 25ex, Vertex 10ex, 6L coil 45ex, another slew of lvl3 or better 4 empowers, lvl21 purities times 2, and a whole shitload of other assorted 20/20 gems, or better 21/20 or 20/23). Meanwhile, in RF land, people slap on a 2ex MAXIMUM shield, and yolo around in full mf gear doing more damage on a 4L (played RF to 88). Meanwhile, a mediocre crit ST build gets a random 6L and a binos and has 20k dps (played that to lvl91). Just because the gear looks relatively cheap (it isnt even anymore) doesnt make the gems less expensive...

Saying Arc is OP cause it runs on a 4L is ridiculous. Before Echo there wasnt even a 5th game to consider that didnt suck balls on arc. It scales better with levels than supports, so it goes in a +1 4L, so what? That arc build reaching 20k dps could be playin 80k LL ST at the same time with that currency. And its not that arc is somehow superior to other builds, it hits exactly the amount of mobs it says it does (unlike ST or RF or... well anything) so on huge groups its slower than optimal sized ones. Its single target itself sucks ass. As a caster build, leveling self found gets super tiresome in the 80s, since your gems ar lvl18 and theres nothing you can do about your shit dps in 73+ maps. You also cant MF, because to reach decent clearspeed, all your slots are MANDATORY, without any wiggleroom (RotP Vertex DoryaniBelt, Weapon, Jewellry already burdened with castspeed, life and all that res; LCoil)

Its a good caster, somehow people disconnect that and think just because arc is a good caster build it means its op, when it still pales in comparison to mediocre attack based builds (NOT JUST ST, also Molten Strike and even fucking dualstrike blenders! for a fraction of the cost!!!!). One might ask, why was it so prevalent in the 1 month, then? It just goes to show how starved the community was from self casting, going great lengths (id argue its Lowlife ST levels of jumping through hoops to somehow raise the dps) just to be able to self-cast, to be allowed to self-cast in high level content.

Keep in mind that the arc build is fragile as all hell, it relies on basically everything meta and "OP" in pre1.2. They nerf arc, sure. Maybe that wouldnt be too bad. But theyre also very likely tampering with the auras, they make shock prolif totem useless (not too bad, since we already have to use a SECOND SPELL FOR SINGLE TARGET over it. when was the last time a decent attacker used two different skills for single and multitarget?).

In the end, its just another sacrifice in the name of cyclical balance. Or maybe I'm wrong. I hope Im wrong. DOnt think so though (shock change is confirmed, arc nerf as good as, aura nerf is a given; the only variable is the tree overall. Will it be able to make up for all that?)

I hope dual totem spec ( spell or ranged attack ) would be decent again ...

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Charan wrote:

Is Taiwan SEA? Didn't know that.

Garena is a Singaporean company that also operates in Taiwan...their headquarters are within walking distance from my apartment.

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Angryweasel wrote:

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Charan wrote:

Arc will be fine. I was disgusted at the overbuff, having been part of the fight to get it fixed.

Overbuffed? seriously it was mediocre at best it was just a lot of fun for people to use sure the general clear speed was decent but single target was way below other specs.

Also I'm pretty sure none in top20 in 1mhc even used it. Which further proves my point.

But whatever seemed like people had fun with it so lets bring out the pitch forks!

why should they when dd is miles ahead

seriously hard to believe there wont be a dd nerf

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

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Charan wrote:

Is Taiwan SEA? Didn't know that.

Garena is a Singaporean company that also operates in Taiwan...their headquarters are within walking distance from my apartment.

I was being sarcastic: Taiwan is definitely not SEA even though Garena might be HQed in an SEA country.

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Actually, my first mapping character was an Arc shadow. Before the buff, but also before the crit node nerfs. He wasn't amazing but he got by. You can read about it in the Arc thread if you want.

The overbuffed Arc bored me. I fought to get it fixed in creative ways, and all GGG did was blunt and uninspired. The extra chains were great, but overdoing the damage and removing the ability to bounce between two mobs was dull.

I quite like where it will be.

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DirkAustin wrote:

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Fluffy_Puppies wrote:

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Charan wrote:

Is Taiwan SEA? Didn't know that.

Garena is a Singaporean company that also operates in Taiwan...their headquarters are within walking distance from my apartment.

*googles garena headquarters*

You gonna come over and give fluffy puppies a hug?

arc nerf ? yea nerf my favorite skill