endurance charge/stun love
" But the thing is poe is about counters, there is (or it should be) a bane for everyone's build. The problem does not lay on endurance charges but the fact that the other charges or better frenzy charges (since power charges work very similar to endurance) are easy to get/easier utilized in more builds/and also are more used than the others. The main problem is Blood Rage for that matter (since frenzy skill is at the best average skill).With blood rage if you go ci, you got free leech and frenzy charge on kill, if you go Low Life you get an awfully huge amount of attack speed plus leech plus frenzy charge on kill with the downside of 4% max HP life degeneterated, but because your build is low life that degen is no more than 50 (so no downside too). If you go normal hp build then you need a fair amount of chaos res and you are good to go too. And all of the above without counting the special frenzy using passive node and uniques, Blood Dance for example eliminates the endurance charge utility effect (0.2% life regen per endurance charge in the marauder area below Resolute Techniques) by giving 1% fucking point of life regen per frenzy, darkray vector give 2%dodge per frenzy etc. Even the passive frenzy related utility node gives 4% evasion per frenzy. Its not that endurance charges are not good or powerfull enough, its that frenzy charges are utilized in way more efficient ways and in "cheaper" slots when talking about the items. Anyway i feel your discomfort regarding maintaing and utilizing endurance charges, but i truly believe its because frenzy charges overshadow the others Inundated with cockroaches, I am
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" high level EC + increased AOE. I regularly get 4 or 5 charges with one cast. overall i think you're correct. the other two charges seem easier to develop/maintain. |
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EC + spell echo: enjoy plenty of endurance charges.
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" the way you highlight frenzy really does show how frenzy overshadows the others, which is why in my initial post i decided to just view the mechanics of charges based on skillgems and passives. to me all the uniques do make frenzy quite powerful but i can see the power of the other charges as well. only thing is i feel endurance charge generation is really gimped out atm. frenzy,frenzy few times, flick flick flick, repeat crit,crit,crit, discharge, repeat EC! wait awhile.... EC! wait awhile... EC! eh... all mobs are dead, better hurry to the next batch before... oh no... charges all timed out... alternatively stun, stun, stun, IMMORTAL! WAHAHAHA I M UNKILLABLE!!!.... later.... hi atziri.... eh? immune to stuns... omfg... ok i ll do regular maps instead. eh? immune to stuns? " use this on a single boss with no adds = 2 endurance charges. wait another few seconds to recast. additionally casting EC requires a second, also uses mana. " increased AOE = more mana consumption. either way getting 4/5 charges requires a lot of mobs around you. yeah the other 2 charges are so damn easy to obtain. " atziri is immune to stun. should i spend 20++ regrets to respec? having even a 0.001 second stun on atziri would at least give me something. immune to stun totally shuts stun builds off. for crit builds at least the crit is harder to trigger on maps that have enfeeble or some "reduced chance for crit/reduced crit damage" maps but it doesnt totally shut them out. [Removed by Support]
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" I hadn't thought of that, new gems ftw. Thanks. We tested it extensively
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" If you feel like every character must be able to kill Atziri, then yes. Atziri is immune to Stun so you cannot just kill her with 1k Life and Heavy Strike. Stunlock is still ridiculous; Hrimnor's Hymn (level 17 Unique hammer) can stunlock Cruel Piety (level 52). An actually good hammer...? The price of being amazing. |
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" i dont really rely too much on stun locking, i do rely on endurance generation to keep alive which is something that i need stun to be able to do reliably. killing Atziri with 1K life and heavy strike is more of an exploit, but i believe ALL bosses, not only atziri should have some sort of "tenacity" effect where status effects are capped at 0.1 second duration or even 0.01 rather than just a complete immunity additionally i dont really care about stun but care more about endurance charges try and view it this way: what builds do stun immune creatures shutdown? - Stun reliant builds, this pairs with endurance on stun reliant builds - With 0 stun duration and 0 chance to stun the threat of being attacked is certain. - With no stun, you gain no endurance charges during the battle unless you spend time to cast EC which gives you a variable amount of endurance charges at the cost of your time to cast as well as your mana - Sure you can keep casting EC, but I want to fight, not look for a safe opening to cast EC what builds do shock/flammability/freeze/chill immune creatures shutdown? - None, you still have elemental damage [Removed by Support]
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" Burn. 75% Resists -> enemy takes 1/8th Burn Damage. If you want to Burn something, you absolutely need to be able to reduce Resistances a lot, and Pen doesn't apply to Damage over Time. Because you cannot Burn the enemy down, "the threat of being attacked is certain" because they sure as hell are coming to punch you in the dick. So that's about as harsh as Stun Immune. It's one very specific setup that is shut down, and the backup plan is suboptimal (but only because actually casting EC is now a problem?). |
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" endurance on stun gives melee players survivability, at minimum (3 charge) thats 12% damage reduction and all resists stun gives a brief window of the enemy not doing anything, thus increase survivability compared to burn damage which is just a small bonus towards fire damage, you at least have fire damage. given your fire build n my endurance on stun build, fighting atziri you only lose burn damage, you still do retain fire damage. i would be at a huge disadvantage to you where (i assume you're using spells?) you can kite while i have to tank atziri somehow [Removed by Support]
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" There's a really big difference between a build that happens to trigger Ignite, and a Burn build. For an actual Burn build, that "small bonus towards Fire Damage" is their main source of Damage potential, and thus also one of the most potent methods of reducing incoming damage (dead enemies don't hit you). That's why I specifically pointed out "Burn" as opposed to "Fire Damage". Melee being at a disadvantageous position compared to a ranged build is true for any situation, Stun Immune or not. |
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