RF snapshot fix

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Mark_GGG wrote:
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I just wanted to step in and say that you know this BECAUSE OF ME.
And me. You can hardly take all the credit :P


GGG credit steal wtf I quit uninstall

EDIT: By the way Mark, any new thoughts on RF snapshotting after our last conversation?
Last edited by elitedesolator on Jul 24, 2014, 8:50:13 PM
Def gonna keep rolling Atziri w/ my kaoms after the change... :)
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By the way Mark, any new thoughts on RF snapshotting after our last conversation?
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn, but as far as I know that's not fully locked in yet.
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Mark_GGG wrote:
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn, but as far as I know that's not fully locked in yet.


As much as I would like the damage over time to enemies to stay, I can understand the slight amount of hypocrisy that could result in those effects lasting after the gems are removed.

I guess in that case my Kaoms might be either discarded for the carcass jack or one of my other gear pieces will have to support RF.
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Last edited by zSavage on Jul 24, 2014, 10:06:01 PM
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Mark_GGG wrote:
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn, but as far as I know that's not fully locked in yet.
This may be beating a dead horse, but does that mean leaving the gem equipped (for example in a chest piece) but casting it with dual redbeaks on low life and switching to a 1H/shield will still "snapshot" the increased damage from redbeaks?
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enigma1406 wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn, but as far as I know that's not fully locked in yet.
This may be beating a dead horse, but does that mean leaving the gem equipped (for example in a chest piece) but casting it with dual redbeaks on low life and switching to a 1H/shield will still "snapshot" the increased damage from redbeaks?
no, this is the point of changing it so that it only works on currently used values. not how snapshoting works via PREVIOUS values being used then still basing a part of the damage on a changing value (hp).

i feel like an idiot saying that as i think i'm missing something, but hey thats a summary =p
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enigma1406 wrote:
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Mark_GGG wrote:
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn, but as far as I know that's not fully locked in yet.
This may be beating a dead horse, but does that mean leaving the gem equipped (for example in a chest piece) but casting it with dual redbeaks on low life and switching to a 1H/shield will still "snapshot" the increased damage from redbeaks?
Technically no, what you quoted doesn't mean that, as that quote is only about the case where you remove the gem, and has nothing to do with on-gear modifiers.

However, snapshotting the Redbeak bonus will definitely not work, along with any other snapshotting, because we're removing snapshotting from the game. The development manifesto thread would be where to look for info on that.
So Mark, just want to confirm:

If someone uses a Tabula Rasa to cast a 6Led Righteous Fire, then swapped the Tabula for a Kaom's Heart, the RF damage (and IIQ/IIR if applicable) would still operate as cast. However, if you were to cast RF out of a 6L Carcass Jack and replace that with a Kaom's Heart, the RF would lose the bonuses to AoE / Damage from losing the CJ.

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SorakPoE wrote:
If someone uses a Tabula Rasa to cast a 6Led Righteous Fire, then swapped the Tabula for a Kaom's Heart, the RF damage (and IIQ/IIR if applicable) would still operate as cast.
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Mark_GGG wrote:
I suspect we'll probably go with the version where removing them gem stops all it's effect except the self burn[..]
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Mark_GGG wrote:
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enigma1406 wrote:
This may be beating a dead horse, but does that mean leaving the gem equipped (for example in a chest piece) but casting it with dual redbeaks on low life and switching to a 1H/shield will still "snapshot" the increased damage from redbeaks?
Technically no, what you quoted doesn't mean that, as that quote is only about the case where you remove the gem, and has nothing to do with on-gear modifiers.

However, snapshotting the Redbeak bonus will definitely not work, along with any other snapshotting, because we're removing snapshotting from the game. The development manifesto thread would be where to look for info on that.
That's good to hear. The only reason I asked is that RF is a bit of a weird case when compared to other snapshotting cases.

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