Cheap, Tanky, DPSy: Summon Raging Spirit [not updated for 1.3+]

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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I encourage you to post a 1.2 tree with a poebuilder link, and explain the key decisions you make in your tree. Try to cover defense, and offense.

My thoughts on 1.2

Work in Progress Trees:
General Purpose/Budget Eldritch Battery
L90 Tree (Attempt #3 ).

--> evloves into Life/ES hybrid Credit to Sherkhan for the idea
L95 Tree

CI credit to posters in this thread for idea/suggestions.
L95 Tree

Life flask effect specialist Credit to Rhaegar_G for the idea
L95 Tree. Uses belly of the beast.

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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Mahanen wrote:

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MatrixFactor wrote:

L95 Ci Tree

As i have been playing around with it, this is pretty much what i have been thinking. Couple of questions though:
1. Are the 6% Inc Aura nodes worth it if we are only running 3 Auras?
2. Also, would the 55% Stun Avoidance while casting nodes (Practical Application) be a viable alternative to Eye of Chayula allowing for a better Amulet? (Would only cost one equivalent point as we could drop 15% Minion Life and Alacrity)
3. And finally, still not convinced the 3% Minion Life Leech is necessary. (We have picked up 1% at the top in the Death Attunement wheel)

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1. Yes the 6% aura nodes are the biggest source of DPS we have from the tree. One 6% node: boosts haste so that you move and cast spirits faster, it makes the haste give the spirits more move speed and ias, and it increases the cold damage they get from hatred. It also increases the amount of ES you get from discipline and the amount of mana regen from clarity. No other node addresses defense, offense, and mana sustain in a single node.

2. Practical application is avoidance of interrupt while casting. This isn't stun avoidance as far as I understand. For example when I farm Rima in the city of sarn, and I use the portal gem, even if one of the Carrion Swarmers touches me for 0 damage (because of AA), my portal cast still gets interrupted. As I undestand it, if I were to get stunned the chance to avoid interruption wouldn't have any effect at all.

3. Well let's consider the numbers in a 18% ele reflect map. My L27 raging spirit has around 4.5k HP. It has 65% fire resist, 0% cold resist, and no armor. It does about 3k phys, 3k fire, and 2k cold per hit against a target with -69% res (40% base - 50% EE - 59% EW). So each target it hits the skull takes 3k * 0.18 = 540*0.35=189 fire damage, and 2k*0.18=360 cold damage. Now the skull attacks about 8 times/sec with vaal haste and flesh offering up, so if it's dealing 189+360=549 damage to itself per hit, it will kill itself in about 1.1 sec. This is much less than its duration of 5.0 sec, which will be even more in 1.1.5. With 3% leech, it will gain 8k*0.03=240 HP per hit, so it's only doing 309 damage to itself per hit, so it's up for 1.8sec before dying. In the extra 0.7sec it does a good bit of damage. So ele reflect does hurt our DPS significantly but minion leech helps. For 18% phys refelct, we take 3k*0.18=540 damage, but leech back 240, so again we only take 300 damage/hit instead of 540. From these numbers you can sort of see that running purity of elements in ele reflect, and grace in phys reflect maps would actually improve your DPS a good bit.

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Jarovb wrote:

No one think to go for Zealots Oath (energy shield reg instead of life)?

is some posiblity playing on low life with this build? (withou shavrone)

Feel free to draft a build with zealot's oath, it sounds like it could be very good for ES-based builds.

Lowlife with/without Shav/Lorica is possible but I don't see the benefit. You can't go bloodmagic-mortal conviction, because you won't have enough unreserved life/life reg to cast spirits. You can reserve an aura or two on life but you're still going to be limited to the same amount of auras as a non-LL build because you need free mana and mana regen. Again I would be happy to be shown a nice LL build that changes my view.

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sherkhan wrote:

Matrix, I have 246% ES on my hybrid tree and 105% HP vs the 280% ES you get on yours. And I'm mapping out a L80 char with 96 points on mine. With mediocre gear, that should be about 3k free HP after Clarity on reserve. Your base ES would have to be 7.5k to match that number (not accounting for the inconvenience of having to carry HP flasks for chaos things).

Add the benefit of having Clarity on HP, and hybrid looks pretty tasty.

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sherkhan wrote:

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MatrixFactor wrote:

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sherkhan wrote:

Matrix, I have 246% ES on my hybrid tree and 105% HP vs the 280% ES you get on yours. And I'm mapping out a L80 char with 96 points on mine. With mediocre gear, that should be about 3k free HP after Clarity on reserve. Your base ES would have to be 7.5k to match that number (not accounting for the inconvenience of having to carry HP flasks for chaos things).

Add the benefit of having Clarity on HP, and hybrid looks pretty tasty.

Sorry are you talking about the CI tree right now? I believe the hybrid tree is around 180% ES.

Was comparing my Hybrid tree to your CI tree.

I have 231% ES from my tree vs 280% on your CI tree.

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Lightfighter1580 wrote:

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https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgMA34rpAtlbGyVLrm0ZakPAVAj0vOrbC4IewfOVIGsXVcaD2wQHTLMtHzpYXyrr5ICkJLCG0Rcv-tJV1mTnA-4dvjOHrKpZ88AaZp6HGWwW_Esn7Sj6mK0NfFfJaqxakah90_uCxwZJ-ejYvf4Ktz5Bh6ZXOuHyRTWSTeP-j88yWW1fmG6qtfKFMnTxGNtbr90NLOkVICpNPydKyC9v2RNwu-wYwcWIQklR8NWP-pUuBx4ppU4qkFXjajbpPC3GrsT2j0aboayYHRT31025zLyqxIVgw21ca4RI_rNXKw==

This is assuming not running cloak of defiance, I move down the tree to get MOM, and iron reflexes. Not sure if buring all those points to get those to passives is worthwhile, but it frees up the chest piece.

It has 149 max life, which isnt bad for the new tree.