The Explosive Buffalo (33k ar, 93%alres, MJÖLNER, LOW LIFE, RF, PASSIVE BM, NEW ATZIRI VIDS)

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laposbivaly wrote:
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Meridin wrote:
How are you achieving so much armor? Aren't you wearing mainly ES gear? Are you running Grace+Determination? Even then, it doesn't seem like that could get you to 33k. I'm just asking because when I make a guy wearing full armor gear, I still can't get as much armor as you are.


check my gear and the tree

Alright, so I went and did the math.

Armor from Gear: 194 (Saffell) + 322 (Alberon) + 336 (Doryani) = 852
Evasion from Gear: 812 (Vertex)

Passive Tree Armor Bonus: 112%
Passive Tree Evasion Bonus: 100%
Passive Tree Buff Bonus: 81%

Armor from Gear: (852 x (1 + 1.12)) + (812 x (1 + 1 + 1.12))
Armor from Gear: 1806.24 + 2533.44 = 4339.68

Evasion from Grace: 2091 x (1 + 0.81) = 3784.71
Armor from Grace: 3784.71 x (1 + 1 + 1.12) = 11,808.2952

Armor from Gear & Grace: 4339.68 + 11,808.2952 = 16,147.9752

Determination Bonus = 0.52 x (1 + 0.81) = 94.12%
Armor with Determination: 16,147.9752 x (1 + 0.9412) = 31,346.4495

Armor gained from Auras = 31,346.4495 - 4339.68 = 27,006.7695

So I didn't quite get 33k, but it came out closer than I thought, because I didn't realize auras gave you so much extra. 27k of that came from auras, which is insane (auras OP). If you can tell me what your armor is without auras, and then with just grace, maybe I can figure out why my numbers are slightly off (or maybe you can find my mistake).
I think i see the mistake:
Each class have base evasion rating, without any stuff, my evasion rating with the increased evasion nodes, without IR, and without any stuffs: 781
So my armour with IR, all my gear, without auras: 5385
With Greace only: 17191
IGN : FlatBuffalo
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laposbivaly wrote:
I think i see the mistake:
Each class have base evasion rating, without any stuff, my evasion rating with the increased evasion nodes, without IR, and without any stuffs: 781
So my armour with IR, all my gear, without auras: 5385
With Greace only: 17191

You're right! I forgot that that everyone has a base evasion rating of 53, which goes up by 3 per level.

So yours would be 53 + (3 x 93) = 332

Without IR, you'll get extra evasion rating: 1% per 5 dexterity, rounded up.

Without your boots, your base dexterity is 134.
Extra rating = 134 / 5 = 26.8 = 27%
Total bonus = 100% + 27% = 127%

Naked evasion rating: 332 x (1 + 1.27) = 753.64

Okay, so not quite 781 like you said, but pretty close. Not sure what went wrong here. Oh well.


Anyways, with IR, that would turn into 332 x (1 + 1 + 1.12) = 1035.84

Combined with gear: 4339.68 + 1035.84 = 5375.52

Gear & Grace = 11,808.2952 + 5375.52 = 17,183.8152

With Determination = 17,183.8152 x (1 + 0.9412) = 33,357.2221

Armor gained from auras: 33,357.2221 - 5375.52 = 27,981.7021


So only 25 off from the 33,332 displayed, not too bad. It solved my original question though: the armor came from your auras. Heck, even if you had 0 armor/evasion on your gear, you'd have about 25k armor just from base evasion + grace/determination.
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Meridin wrote:

So yours would be 53 + (3 x 93) = 332

Without IR, you'll get extra evasion rating: 1% per 5 dexterity, rounded up.

Without your boots, your base dexterity is 134.
Extra rating = 134 / 5 = 26.8 = 27%
Total bonus = 100% + 27% = 127%

Naked evasion rating: 332 x (1 + 1.27) = 753.64

Okay, so not quite 781 like you said, but pretty close. Not sure what went wrong here. Oh well.



Yea, its correct, but then i forgot to mentoin, i dont taked off my gloves, so 165 base dex then, which gives 165% bunus, so 332x2.65=879.8 ... almost done :)
IGN : FlatBuffalo
you cast molten strike with life right ? and when you hit you recover hp with the life on hit gem.. what happens if you miss 5 strikes (desync) ?
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uberduffman wrote:
you cast molten strike with life right ? and when you hit you recover hp with the life on hit gem.. what happens if you miss 5 strikes (desync) ?


Yea sometimes it can happen, but no problem i just use one of them:
IGN : FlatBuffalo
Last edited by laposbivaly on Jul 25, 2014, 8:25:15 AM
yes but you will have to leave the map ( assuming you are doing maps ) to replenish your hp before being able to continue onwards the flasks is only for defense right ?

edit nm i didn't see the hp regen on flask, seems like a solid build to me, but if this is not the most expensive build in poe i don't know what is :p
Last edited by uberduffman on Jul 25, 2014, 8:46:15 AM
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Meridin wrote:
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laposbivaly wrote:
I think i see the mistake:
Each class have base evasion rating, without any stuff, my evasion rating with the increased evasion nodes, without IR, and without any stuffs: 781
So my armour with IR, all my gear, without auras: 5385
With Greace only: 17191

You're right! I forgot that that everyone has a base evasion rating of 53, which goes up by 3 per level.

So yours would be 53 + (3 x 93) = 332

Without IR, you'll get extra evasion rating: 1% per 5 dexterity, rounded up.

Without your boots, your base dexterity is 134.
Extra rating = 134 / 5 = 26.8 = 27%
Total bonus = 100% + 27% = 127%

Naked evasion rating: 332 x (1 + 1.27) = 753.64

Okay, so not quite 781 like you said, but pretty close. Not sure what went wrong here. Oh well.


Anyways, with IR, that would turn into 332 x (1 + 1 + 1.12) = 1035.84

Combined with gear: 4339.68 + 1035.84 = 5375.52

Gear & Grace = 11,808.2952 + 5375.52 = 17,183.8152

With Determination = 17,183.8152 x (1 + 0.9412) = 33,357.2221

Armor gained from auras: 33,357.2221 - 5375.52 = 27,981.7021


So only 25 off from the 33,332 displayed, not too bad. It solved my original question though: the armor came from your auras. Heck, even if you had 0 armor/evasion on your gear, you'd have about 25k armor just from base evasion + grace/determination.


and just taking the two increased buff effects he would increase his armour by 2000-3000 alone
has someone done the math on taking 18% increased buff effect on what this means for vitality and his RF degen ? might be a good choice to take I don't know. do you have a lvl 100 talent tree designed ?
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uberduffman wrote:

and just taking the two increased buff effects he would increase his armour by 2000-3000 alone
has someone done the math on taking 18% increased buff effect on what this means for vitality and his RF degen ? might be a good choice to take I don't know. do you have a lvl 100 talent tree designed ?


This 2 node with 18% increased buff effect are bad thing now, they increase badly Rf, and i think Blood Rage self damage too. They are not enough to get +10 max resist from aura, couse:
with this 2 node I have total 99% increased buff effect, so 5 x 1.99= 9.95 , its still +9 to max resi.
So the other 3% increased buff node wil be needed too, it gives 102% increased effect, but it takes 4 point from the tree.
So the final tree will countains that 4 point, and the other 2 point if for life regen, or STR, or DEX, if i change my gloves...
IGN : FlatBuffalo
Last edited by laposbivaly on Jul 25, 2014, 10:35:29 AM
Is it possible to change your boots if you find strength on gloves and boots with high ES ? would be an enormous boost

what is your strength value without those boots ?

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