[1-2.0] CoC Sci/Sha/Ran/Due with Block - Song of Ice and Fire. Cheap. Fun. Nerfed

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ezhilarasan1618 wrote:

has any one tried killing or killed atziri/uber atziri??

I didn't try it before I left the character months ago but you could probably do Atziri. Consider swapping in PoF/PoL, make sure you have a surgeon's topaz/ruby/heal/burst heal + either a double of one or a granite, dodge as much as you can and it should work ok.
Edot: get a few staunching mods in there, not just on the heal



Uber Atziri almost definitely not.

Does anyone know why ST in a 6 link tabula rasa uses 26 mana/cast instead of 22 if i replace concentrated effect with life leech?

Life leech even has a lower mana multiplier. 130% vs 160% for concentrated effect.

Also another thing i've been pondering.
Concentrated effect vs power charge on critical? I can't decide but i think pcoc might be better overall (expecially with 1 point spent for 4 power charges)

I saw in first post prototype build for Invasion, with node Vaal Pakt, which allows insta life leech.

but i don't see any life leech in this build.


It is supposed to change concentrated effect to life leech? (dmg will stay ok?)

How about CI build then, could you check please?
The main problem is to have crazy items with huge armor and ES at same time?

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYBAAYB3AL-DkgQexEvEZYR1RXXFfYWvxmGGYob-iSdJd8nqSmlKjgqTSsKLL8tgzIJNJM_J0LDRwZKyE4qUzVWY1uvXfJfamJaYnljQ2NwbEZtbG5pbqpwUnDVcmx4DX_GhNmGrofbjDaT_JXIlwaZmpu1naOkGalurEeuz7Q4tMW1SLXytkG29746voq-p8APwFHBAMHFwuzDOsSixLjKStDu0k3TftVP1fjXhtsa3nffhN-Y44TlGess62Prju_j8uHz6vVL96P79fyr


Will it have any advantages instead of life-build? More es then life in life build?


And I have to take so many dexterity, which will give no bonus with Iron Reflexes... Is it ok?

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kompaniet wrote:

Does anyone know why ST in a 6 link tabula rasa uses 26 mana/cast instead of 22 if i replace concentrated effect with life leech?

Life leech even has a lower mana multiplier. 130% vs 160% for concentrated effect.

Also another thing i've been pondering.
Concentrated effect vs power charge on critical? I can't decide but i think pcoc might be better overall (expecially with 1 point spent for 4 power charges)

Could the levels be off so conc affect isn't actually working?

The OP said PCoC is better than conc affect when you have less than 55-60% crit chance, I believe.

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kompaniet wrote:

Does anyone know why ST in a 6 link tabula rasa uses 26 mana/cast instead of 22 if i replace concentrated effect with life leech?

Life leech even has a lower mana multiplier. 130% vs 160% for concentrated effect.

Concentrated Effect doesn't support ST, so no mana multiplier.
It supports fireball and arctic breath. Casts don't cost mana, so mana multiplier don't appear anywhere. Damage multiplier does apply.

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kompaniet wrote:

Also another thing i've been pondering.
Concentrated effect vs power charge on critical? I can't decide but i think pcoc might be better overall (expecially with 1 point spent for 4 power charges)

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Iplaywithsinged wrote:

The OP said PCoC is better than conc affect when you have less than 55-60% crit chance, I believe.

That wasn't me, but it makes sense.

PCoC with 4 charges adds 6.8*200% = 13.6% crit chance which is about 25% more than we have (assuming 55%). Similar inclease for spell crit, about 1.5x dps overall.

PCoC vs CE
- less single target dps (~1.5x vs 1.69x)
+ 30% AoE radius
+ PCoC adds crit consistency, CE adds burst dps
- PCoC's 110% mana multiplier increases mana cost, CE's does not
- PCoC only adds dps when we have charges, CE works always
- 1 passive point

Actually, with 5th charge from Alira's reward PCoC may beat CE. Very interesting, thank you, kompaniet :)

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BlackCorsair wrote:

I saw in first post prototype build for Invasion, with node Vaal Pakt, which allows insta life leech.

but i don't see any life leech in this build.

It is supposed to change concentrated effect to life leech? (dmg will stay ok?)

Yes. LL gem is a good 6th gem for Invasion even without Vaal Pact.
Nobody managed to survive in Invasion long enough to try Vaal Pact.

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BlackCorsair wrote:

How about CI build then, could you check please?
The main problem is to have crazy items with huge armor and ES at same time?

I've never had CI build, so everything I write here is pure theory.

Is 96% ES in the tree plus int bonus plus 12% more enough?
Dual wielding means no ES shield.
Eye of Chayula means no ES/resist/crit ammy or Stone of Lazhwar.
Rat's nest or ES helmet? Maligaro's or ES gloves?
Insane 1000 ES chest piece, ok.
Rainbowstride 150 ES.
Hardly more than 5k ES even with very expensive gear. And where do we get evasion/armor with that, purely from Grace?
Getting that much life is much easier.
ES upper bound for unlimited budget is probably higher than life, but I don't really believe in ES version of this build. With amount of currency required to make it somewhat good lowlife aura ST build would be much much better.

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SunnyRay wrote:

Is 96% ES in the tree plus int bonus plus 12% more enough?
Dual wielding means no ES shield.
Eye of Chayula means no ES/resist/crit ammy or Stone of Lazhwar.
Rat's nest or ES helmet? Maligaro's or ES gloves?
Insane 1000 ES chest piece, ok.
Rainbowstride 150 ES.
Hardly more than 5k ES even with very expensive gear. And where do we get evasion/armor with that, purely from Grace?
Getting that much life is much easier.
ES upper bound for unlimited budget is probably higher than life, but I don't really believe in ES version of this build. With amount of currency required to make it somewhat good lowlife aura ST build would be much much better.

Well, sounds rational, thank you!

Nobdy survived long enough to try Vaal Pact? wow, sounds intriguing...
I have Tabula Rasa in Invasion and 2 Ungil's with 20 dex both, maybe I should try this build (life + iron reflexes variant)...
Invasion will end soon of course, that's the main problem - soon it will be vanilla hardcore.

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BlackCorsair wrote:

Nobdy survived long enough to try Vaal Pact? wow, sounds intriguing...
I have Tabula Rasa in Invasion and 2 Ungil's with 20 dex both, maybe I should try this build (life + iron reflexes variant)...
Invasion will end soon of course, that's the main problem - soon it will be vanilla hardcore.

If you decide to try it, beware Judgement Apparatus chaos/phys attack from offscreen. Stack life and don't run around with -60 chaos res.

Some math!

Excel dps calculator for this build. Not too user-friendly, but it calculates :)

Download to edit. Doesn't take into consideration curse and EE.

Among other things it calculates two important values:

1. chance for each attack to proc at least one spell

This is a measure of reliability.

2. minimum dps assuming GMP ST hits only once and each GMP spell hits only once

Even single target dps is at least twice as high, but it's a good value to compare.

With some arbitrary assumptions my
- single-target ranged DPS is 7.5k,
- single-target shotgun dps is 37k,
- pack DPS is 300k.

Replacing Concentrated Effect with PCoC with 4 charges results in:
- Chance to cast increased by 24.7% (42.1% -> 52.5%),
- DPS decreased by 14.2%

Replacing my 45% Maligaro's with 50% Doedre's results in tiny 1.2% DPS reduction. 36% Maligaro's would lose. For Shadow start Maligaro's would still win.

How different stats increase DPS for my tree and gear:

1% Spell/Elemental/Projectile Damage - 0.56%
1% Attack Speed - 0.52%
1% Spell or Global Crit Multiplier - 0.26%
1% Global Crit Chance - 0.20%
1% Attack Crit Chance - 0.12%
1% Spell Crit Chance - 0.08%
1% Accuracy - 0.17%
10 Accuracy - 0.16%

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SunnyRay wrote:

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BlackCorsair wrote:

Nobdy survived long enough to try Vaal Pact? wow, sounds intriguing...
I have Tabula Rasa in Invasion and 2 Ungil's with 20 dex both, maybe I should try this build (life + iron reflexes variant)...
Invasion will end soon of course, that's the main problem - soon it will be vanilla hardcore.

If you decide to try it, beware Judgement Apparatus chaos/phys attack from offscreen. Stack life and don't run around with -60 chaos res.

By they way I m brainstorming now you prototype shadow build for invasion, here is some remarks (prototype is very nice, but i found some things):

1) with Vaal Pact its not worth it to take branch to Golem's Blood (no regen with VP) - you can free 7 points and lose 28% life, but you can just finish scion life circle, and get 24% life but for 4 points only!
I will use these 3 points to take "Pressure Points", and maybe "Spell Power", which were in your original evasion build.
2) also i add 6% dual wield attack speed near "Acceleration" node. 6% ias for 1 node is pretty, no?

So the build with remarks is here (you could put it in first post, if you like it):
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgYAAAYB3AR-BfkOSBGWFfAV9ha_Gtsb-iP2JDwk_SXfJpUnqSmlKjgyATSTNZI2ezpYR35JO0lRSn1KyExgTeNOKlVLVvpaSFptW69e-mHiYnlirGNwZU1noG17bmluqnBSeA1_xoTZhxmHdofbiPGMNo_6k_yXBpsmnaOdqqOKpBmnXKlurs-yGbQ4tKO1SLXytkG-ir6nwA_AUcSixLjPetDu0k3VT9X41p3dDd533vbjhOUZ51TndOjW647uDu_j7_Dz6vej-_X8q_zF_o_-CjrhplfyRdUAcNVd8hHV


I don't like a bit, that we have ton of dexterity in build, and Iron Reflexes don't use bonus from dexterity to evasion.
Maybe it's worth it to not take Iron Reflexes, and to take somehow Ondar's Guile instead?