This game and noobtraps

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

Engineering pays more than all other fields of study, and petroleum engineering pays the most of all engineering (currently, unless I am mistaken, which may be the case. My information comes from an NPR report that aired about a month ago).

By the logic of the OP, since Engineering is, currently, the most "optimal" field of study, no school should offer any degrees that are not related to engineering. Also, anyone declaring to major in anything other than engineering has fallen into a "noobtrap" for thinking that any other field of study is viable, or might provide them with long-term reward.

that isn't an accurate comparison. you can still find good degrees that are not engineering and still get ahead in life.

but ,it is a well documented fact that a growing proportion of college degrees are not worth the money.

this is especially true in the liberal arts fields like teaching , sociology , psychology and philosophy.

people who take these degrees often end up with loads of student debt all the while having extreme difficulty finding a job. And when they do find a job the job will pay so little that said students will spend a good portion of the rest of their lives paying off the loans.

it is not about finding what is optimal (in your example engineering) , it is about avoiding what is devastating . and the colleges are more than happy to lead you down this path of ruin if it means making money off of you.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

i am just stating facts.

and the facts are that people who get those degrees don't make alot of money. and you can spout all the merits of philosophy and art , but if it doesn't put food on the table then the only thing you have archived is starvation.

I was just pointing out a flaw in sinn's argument in which he took the extreme and suggested that only degree's of type X are of value and then likened it the op's position.

when the reality is not that certain positions are the best .

but rather certain positions are the worst .

he is focusing on the wrong side of the spectrum as it were.


the op doesnt care about the optimal builds or the optimal rewards.
he cares about the numerous pit falls and bad rewards that only people who do not know better would get sucked into.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

i am not actually arguing the ops points per say, so you don't need to justify it to me .
whether you opinion was right or wrong really wasn't the point of my post.

rather it is that you used a somewhat inaccurate example of his point of view and tried to counter it.

now if i were to address your point.

then i would have to say that you are correct in some cases , and you are incorrect in others.
while no doubt the op probably included far to many things in his idea of noob traps.

that doesn't necessarily discount the existence of noob traps in general .

and in those less common cases there are in fact black and white , this is good and this is bad. examples

and one of those examples would be the normal difficulty bandit rewards.
now not all of the rewards are bad.

really the only decidedly bad one is mana .

the others have at-least some wiggle room. especially in the cases of summoners which don't actively need certain things that many other builds do. so i can see resists life or a skill point being useful.

but the mana option is most certainly a noob trap and is drastically inferior to the others.

of course in the end you could chock this all down to in adequate balance on the developers part . it is a big game so some issues would be expected.

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

I taught my kids what "hot" was by putting out a macanudo on their genitals while being sure to tell them "This is what 'hot' feels like."

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reboticon wrote:

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Sinnesteuer wrote:

I taught my kids what "hot" was by putting out a macanudo on their genitals while being sure to tell them "This is what 'hot' feels like."

I haven't made it past this yet. I'm dying here.

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SEXYSUPERSATAN wrote:

4. High lvl orbs dropping at low level: this is a great mechanic because it means that veteran players aren't completely wasting their time leveling new characters/rerolling because they can still have amazing currency drop along the way. A new player isn't going to do anything with chaoses, divines or exalts though and may end up wasting them or getting ripped off. I feel like newer players should be protected against this, i.e. 'you cannot use this orb until you are level XX'. Obviously in races you will turn this restriction off.

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