New Forum Policy: No Hateful Posts

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mazul wrote:

Precisely how Iran and China justify their censorship and dictatures. They consider their current "consciousness" to be of a higher order in comparison to the one in the West. They are very much aware of the ramifications of Western behaviour and are not tolerating such Western behaviour that leads to a more negative state.
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Are you implying that china is somehow less moral or advanced than the rest of the world? You have been watching too much propaganda.

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mazul wrote:

What if, there is no a priori "better state"? What if what is a "better state" is subjective and may change?

Everything is subjective. A better language and defined set of Values will reduce the subjective nature of such things.
As for the here and now, anyone who thinks that toxic comments should be allowed; simply is not understanding the issue and the ramifications of the cancer-like properties of hostility.

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mazul wrote:

Dictatorship is not needed in a country where the grand majority agrees and will agree with what the dictator thinks is a "better state".

Communication is central to this new era we are in; the era of the information age. Ideas for positive changes should be propagated via mass media broadcasting.
Our current system of commercially operated mass media greatly limits this (im a US citizen). And thus i will predict that socialist and dictatorship(assuming a good and wise dictator) controlled broadcasting will much more quickly advance its nation than capitalist run broadcasting. Advancement in a social and technological realm.

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mazul wrote:

Censorship acts as means to control feelings and ideas; to reduce the rate at which they reach other individuals; there is a fear that the the individuals touched by it will accept them and spread them on their own.

And this is entirely correct. The difficulty is in determining good, evil, and priority. Done poorly, it is indeed worse than 'freedom'. But done correctly, benefits everyone greatly.

Fine idea to improve the civility of the forums, but it sounds like a huge administrative task to remove thousands of threads and posts.

Have you considered that the community can help moderate, for example with simple "thumbs up/down" votes? On many other sites, if a thread/post receives enough downvotes, it would be "folded away" so you'd have to explicitly click to show it. This would free precious GGG resources to do something more useful, for example in-game moderation, which I think is more important.

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losnappas wrote:

There's a word for this:

fascism

There's a word for this:

trolling

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SkyCore wrote:

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SkyCore wrote:

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karakay wrote:

Censorship is never good....

I used to be a big believer in 'freedom' and personal individuality. But after much introspection and analysis of social dynamics, my viewpoint expanded as i grew.
Censorship is a big general term that reaches across many different forms of expressions, and i dont think its fair to treat all these forms equally.
Censorship of ideas, i think we can all agree is intolerable and an abuse of power.
But as for censorship of untruths and uncalled for aggression, is completely necessary for the health of the system. You see 'harm' extends well beyond the physical into many levels of social, economic, and belief(not just religious) systems. To apathetically ignore such harm is to be amoral.
Tolerating poor behavior leads to an acceptance of said poor behavior, and acceptance breeds mimicry. Very much like a disease, it propigates amongst and weakens the whole.

Ideally, changing the imperfect systems from which we are forced to exist in would be a better route than censorship. But that is asking much more than our current evolutionary status of human beings can deliver..for a multitude of reasons; chief amongst them being that entities instinctively react to any proposed change with negativity and conflict. (individuals, government, and organizations are all entities and do in-fact each contain their own emergent intelligence)
Language itself offers many impediments to progress. I can imagine a language which does not allow for logical fallacies, contains no negative implications of its words, and requires assumptions to be fully stated.
What is most often portrayed as human individuality and free will is merely imperfections of our consciousness and the results of limited knowledge. It is NOT something to be celebrated. But at this level of perfection the purpose of human life must be called into question. And this question is far beyond the scope of this discussion.
But as for the here and now, we can reduce conflict by simply destroying that which we currently perceive as hostile and without merit.

I love the philosofical reflections here and I find it fascinating. In this case, though, the potentially problematic part is more about the tools used than the reason, which is justifiable without resorting to Kant or Kierkegaard. ;P

If you remove content, the people getting their posts deleted will get angry and potentially protest. These protests will not be on this forum given their percieved "grave injustice". The people listening may go out and test the limits of the site since they cannot see the offensive post and if they do not feel the limit of the site is the same or below their own, they will support the original protester and spread the word etc. etc.

This problem can be managed by giving good reasons for removal of posts to the perp. The reason TL works with as strict rules as they have, is their communication. They communicate with the warned or banned user through different means to tell what they did wrong. Furthermore a banned posters post will remain for others to see and learn "this is past the red line.". That is a way to avoid the recruitment of anti-censorship trains.

There are many other solutions, like the "trash forum"-model, the up- and down-voting (doesn't work that well alone) or the user-tribunal and probably 1000 more less common approaches. What they all have in common is a more open display of the practical linedrawing.

Censorship doesn't work unless you can convince the community and to a lesser extend the perp that it is for the better. In the longer run, straight removal can be a problem no matter how loose the lines are drawn, unless there is a feeling from the community of exactly where the lines are.

Is calling other peeps or GGG "Meatbags" acceptable? (Hopefully somebody gets it).

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

I'm no angel, but I would like to say that I do believe I am a very reactive person. I am a firm believer that if you want to dish it out, you should be ready to handle it yourself.

But it wasn't good. Fighting fire with fire is not a good solution when the flames can just keep burning because the fuel is abstract rather than real.

I think with this change, I'll feel much less inclined to put myself in a mode likely to incur reprimand.

So that's my personal 'thank you very much' for this.

This was all bound to happen. It always does. I said before release to expect nothing but happy smiling faces to be allowed on the forums after release. And here it is.

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poeticheretick wrote:

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

I'm no angel, but I would like to say that I do believe I am a very reactive person. I am a firm believer that if you want to dish it out, you should be ready to handle it yourself.

But it wasn't good. Fighting fire with fire is not a good solution when the flames can just keep burning because the fuel is abstract rather than real.

I think with this change, I'll feel much less inclined to put myself in a mode likely to incur reprimand.

So that's my personal 'thank you very much' for this.

This was all bound to happen. It always does. I said before release to expect nothing but happy smiling faces to be allowed on the forums after release. And here it is.

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I'm pretty sure you know you are one of the people why this new rule exists and this post shows why (just as most of your posts do).
You claim stuff that is not true ('nothing but happy smiling faces to be allowed on the forums' - where was that stated?) and post nothing but troll posts.

God move! I hope to see the trolls gone soon!

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obadonke wrote:

Very happy to hear this. I can remember the first time someone advised me to "go **** yourself" on this forum. It was a surprisingly hurtful experience and one that's led me to avoid returning to threads to check responses after my comments.

Hey obadonke go fucking have a wonderful day may your women be beautiful and your harvest lush!



I fully support the choice by GGG to do this. I remember when I started playing in CB and you could come here and read helpful post with great information and learn a thing or two. Now a days you can barely do that, or find truthful information unless you are looking in the correct spot.

Also, NOT cool to bash on GGG dev's and staff. You should praise them with each chance you get. As example, every time I have talked to support about and issue they are always quick and get the job done with 100% customer sanctification with no complaints. And I always let them know how good of a job they do.

It is important to do so, I work in CS as a desktop/server admin, and I know how frustrating it can be all day to deal with dim wits and d-bags on the phone or via emails. All it takes is that one person telling you how well you work and thanking you for assisting them and taking care of them to make there day a good day!

***Next stop in game general chat and trade spam between all the channels, can we have a limit enforced in trade channel that you can only switch between a channel once every 30 seconds and post your wall of trade items every 15 seconds or so?

Thank you GGG :)
Its widely known that FTP forums are a toxic wasteland dumpster that most people will avoid trying not to spoil the game for them, This is epic news

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poeticheretick wrote:

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Charanjaydemyr wrote:

I'm no angel, but I would like to say that I do believe I am a very reactive person. I am a firm believer that if you want to dish it out, you should be ready to handle it yourself.

But it wasn't good. Fighting fire with fire is not a good solution when the flames can just keep burning because the fuel is abstract rather than real.

I think with this change, I'll feel much less inclined to put myself in a mode likely to incur reprimand.

So that's my personal 'thank you very much' for this.

This was all bound to happen. It always does. I said before release to expect nothing but happy smiling faces to be allowed on the forums after release. And here it is.

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Its easy to pay nothing at all for something and yet criticize it to how its not to your liking.
Its pathetic how you think you are entitled to anything in the slightest.
Enjoy the game you paid nothing for.