A sign that the crafting system has failed and that orbs are essentially gold

If you are going to chaos spam a rare, it is a lot easier to use a bunch of chaos than an alch+scouring every time. In that regard, lazy people might consider them worth more.

Influx of newbs in new league.....prices will settle

If anything, the fact that items aren't inflating at ridiculous speed means that the system is working.

Someone that left the game 5 months ago and comes back now has pretty much the same value on all of his items as when he left. There's some exception with legacy items but that's pretty much it.

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faerwin wrote:

If anything, the fact that items aren't inflating at ridiculous speed means that the system is working.

Someone that left the game 5 months ago and comes back now has pretty much the same value on all of his items as when he left. There's some exception with legacy items but that's pretty much it.

Sounds more like people are quitting at a high enough rate. Also the expected progression of noone quits in Standard is that all rares lose value over time.

back when exalts were 50 chaos on standard alcs were 4:1 against chaos, that was ages ago. chaos:alch:scour hasnt been 1:2:2 on standard for a long time. Alc + scour is more useful but chaos is stronger trade currency because alchs are weak and let the side down. Its actually quite hard to trade for scouring in quantity, esp now regrets are worth more than chaos and 2 scours at a vendor gets a regret, + all this chance spamming for uniques.

You people are arguing 100 pennies is worth a dollar and should traded at such. Bottom line is I don't want pennies. I only want dollars and so do most other people selling something. Otherwise I have to swap it myself. As a seller, the buyer conforms to me. Not the other way around.

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Sprongley wrote:

OP should qq and play D3

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MierenEronaile wrote:

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TimDalz wrote:

On standard: 20 chaos = 1 exalt, 50 alchs = 1 exalt, 14 regrets = 1 exalt, 2 scourings = 1 regret.

20/50 = .4
20/14 = 1.428/2 = .714
.4+.714 = 1.11

alch + scouring is worth more than a chaos...

Which, as someone pointed out earlier, basically just proves that the op is right and orbs are currency more than anything else /shrug.

I wasn't arguing against that part of his post :P

The question OP should be asking himself is how useful Scours truly are. The answer to that question is: not very, ever since the Eternal Orb was introduced. Scours used to be a part of Regal/Exalted crafting, resetting an item after a failed roll; now that function is gone. The only thing Scours are actually good for now is Orb of Chance on a 5L/6L item, and there's a very solid argument that even that use is void, because you should just Chance an unlinked and then Jeweler/Fusing it up once the Chance actually hits unique.

There's also the "make Regrets" option, but that's not exactly something with a huge demand, at least not from the endgame min-max perspective.

So if the principal function of a Scouring is just to turn an Alch into a Chaos, but with more than double the amount of mouse clicks involved, why would Alch+Scouring be worth more than a Chaos anyway? The truth of the matter is that Alch+Scouring=Chaos is the only thing keeping the price of Scourings from dropping even further.

TL;DR: Orb of Scouring sucks because Eternal Orb was added to the game.

The claim "1 alch + 1 scour >= 1 chaos" is only valid if is a way to convert 1 alch + 1 scour into one chaos.

If chaos orbs are not used sufficiently often for re-rolling items but instead as a currency, it is not necessarily true that 1 alch + 1 scour >= 1 chaos.

If chaos orbs are applied sufficiently often, however, 1 alch + 1 scour >= 1 chaos. If market prices were to suggest otherwise, it would make sense to alch+scour instead of chaos-ing an item in order to re-roll. People (well, rational/informed people) would buy alchs/scours until the combined price exceeded a chaos orb.

That said, if you aren't a person that ever chaoses items/maps, then you have no way to exert that pressure on the relative prices of these orbs. Chaoses could very well become more valuable than alch+scour, simply for use as a currency.

I expect it is relatively common to apply chaos orbs to maps, so if you notice the prices acting strangely as above, of course you should scour+alch your maps instead of chaosing them.